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HISTORICAL QUOTE OF THE WEEK - "Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any other." ABRAHAM LINCOLN

Sunday, August 13, 2006


Last week we recieved another grim reminder that terrorism still exists and that The United States is still its number one target. The thwarting of another major terror attack this time being the highjacking of ten US bound planes and destroying them in mid flight also reminded us that this enemy will use any and all means to kill Americans and bring down not only The United States but western civilization. It was also a stark reminder that we are at war ! Unfortunatly though many use the word war, do they fully accept or understand that we truly are at war with Islamic fascism an enemy who relentlessly searches for ways to kill ? It seems rather obvious that many on the left, much of the media and even some on the right do not realize what being at war fully entails and/or just use this war as a political football that gives numerous opportunities to attack a political opponent especially the President. Almost immediatly after the news about the failed attempt and the arrest of those who planned to carry it out, charges, accusations and sugar coating began to hit the media outlets by politicians, terrorism , "experts, " , members of foreign governments and both anti-war and pro-war spokes persons. Most opinions revealed that many still do not accept nor understand what this war truly entails or that we are even at war. Leaders of the Democratic Party immediatly began praising the British and Pakistani intelligence effort yet obviously neglected mentioning US intelligence whose interception of phone calls revealed to the Brits that the attack was imminent. They then proceeded to make political points by condeming the President for his handling of the war and whining that Osama bin Laden has still not been, "captured." I placed captured in quotes for a reason that I will explain later in this post. Most terrorism , "experts, " began trying to rationlize the thoughts and motives behind why Islamic fascists continually perform or attempt acts of terrorism. Many tried to explain it away as a law enforcement problem. Representatives of the UK and Pakistan that were interview continually sugar coated and danced around making reference to the terrorists as Muslim, Islamic fascists, or people who followed Islam. Even when directly reminded that while all Muslims are not terrorists all terrorists are Muslim. President Bush in his comments shortly after the news of the thwarted attack aired refered to terrorists as, "Islamic fascists, " and immediatly condemnation for his use of this very appropriate description began surfacing. Now I will try to explain my observations and why I believe many do not understand that we are at war.

What war means - To be at war though having numerous stategies and operations conducted in the performance of that war basically narrows to two goals. Defeating the enemy using all means available and destroying the enemies ability to wage war. One of the apsects that make this war on terror different from any war previously fought is that the enemy does not follow any of the , "rules, " of war and does not have a uniformed military that is easily identifiable. Another aspect of the war that differs is that this enemy specifically targets the civilian population as their main strategy. In past wars opposing armies met on battlefields and fought until one army was driven from the field or faced total defeat which brought about surrender. Terrorists neither face a military on a battlefield in the same manner as in the past nor is surrender an option since death is their goal, whether it is those they are killing or they themselves. This is why fighting this war is so difficult and long lasting and why so many means and forces are needed to wage this war. This war is not fought specifically by the military as past wars, using soldiers and military equipment and military intelligence to fight the war. This war involves all aspects of civilized government from the military to law enforcement to sophisticated means of intelligence gathering and yes even private citizens who inform through observation. Terrorists live among us and use every day means to communicate, plan and execute terror attacks. Hezbollah in fighting Israel is the only terrorist entity who somewhat uses conventional military means to fight, though they still encompass the use of civilian targets and hide in the civilian population. Not one aspect whether military, law enforcement or intelligence can defeat this enemy alone. It entails all means and that is why critics don't understand. Using just law enforcement has failed in the past. Using just military means will not flush out terrorists completely. Intelligence gathering does not take the fight to the enemy. Combining all has succeded in arrests, the killing of terrorist and their leadership and stopping attacks before they happen.

"Capturing, " Osama bin Laden - bin Laden is a dangerous man period. He has managed to take his Islamic fascist beliefs and spread them throughout the Muslim world more or less brain washing Muslims into beleiving as he does. Will capturing or killing bin Laden end the war or Islamic fasism. Absolutly not. Yes wanting him, "dead or alive, " is a goal but not a means of stopping Islamic fascism. Bin Laden does not control Iran or Syria. He does not control Hezbollah or Hamas. In many respects he does not even control Al Qaeda. Terrorist organizations unlike countries who wage war are structured to fight and exist by the individual or individual cell and not as much by an organized military style command structure and government over sight. Thus killing bin Laden would only accomplish a somewhat morel victory in the same manner as the death of al Zarqawi did. Additionally when has the main goal of any military action or war been the killing or capturing of the enemies leader ? Though there was a great desire to kill Hitler in WWll for example it was not a main strategic goal. Defeating Hitler's means of waging war was the main goal as is the war on terror. Killing or capturing bin Laden would be a momentary defeat to terrorism but then only to Al Qaeda and then only briefly as the individual cells would still remain active and those who are further down the line from bin Laden would continue Al Qaeda's war. It would not effect Hezbollah, Hamas, Iran, Syria or any other terrorist entity.

Calling a spade a spade - Being politically correct accomplishes nothing. As was stated earlier, though all Mulims are not terrorists, all terrorist are Muslims. To deny this fact only sugar coats terrorism and the root cause of Islamic fascism spreading throughout the Muslim world. It also allows those Muslims who do not follow this philosophy the ability to turn a blind eye to the bastardizing of their religion by an evil entity that reflects on all Muslims. It causes a tremendous prejudice toward the Muslim community since only a very few speak out against the fascist Muslim and even fewer condemn their acts or beliefs leading many to believe that the majority of Muslims support the fascist Isalmic belief which is not the case. Islam is the largest religion in the world and only a small precentage of Muslims are fascists and terrorists. They though are the most vocal and their acts and statements recieve 99% of the coverage while the average Muslim stays quiet and most who are not Muslim are so afraid of offending Muslims that the truth of Islamic fascism and its Muslim roots is denied.

The bottom line is that we are in an all out war against Muslim Islamic fascists who stop at nothing to kill and to attempt to force their beliefs and fascism on the entire world including Muslims. They desire death as a sacrifice for after world rewards in the name of Allah. This fanatical mind set does not follow rules will not face an army in the traditional sense or surrender their cause since they truly believe that they are conducting a righteous war against the infidel. Because of this we cannot be timid in our resolve nor in out tactics in fighting this enemy. We not only have the military might to defeat this enemy but the intelligence and law enforement ability to seek out this enemy and achieve the objective of any war. That being to destroy the enemies ability to wage war. Whether this means destroying their infrastructure meaning their ability to transport their fight and their weapons, killing or arresting their , "soldiers, " intercepting their plans through all available intelligence means or fighting them in the street in the area they have chosen to expand, the Middle East. Iraq, Lebanon, Iran, Afghanistan, the Palistinian territories and Syria. This war has hundreds of fronts and fights a very real and dedicated enemy. We have the ability to win and we must use every military, technological and manpower means we have to win!

Ken Taylor


Blogger Rob said...

Thanks for taking my earlier arguments and making a Sunday Post out of them.

I will agree with you one completely on one major point - killing Osama bin Forgotten now won't make much difference. It is almost 5 years too late. Had Bush committed more troops, resource, and effort to the hunt early on and we had gotten him it would have sent the message to the world that the U.S. is not incompetent. Instead, 5 years after 9/11 OBL is still free and doing God knows what. His legend has grown because he is able to escape punishment from the U.S.

As for the rest of your post, if you believe that we can win this war - and I will agre it is a war - solely by relying on military options you have not learned anything from history. This is a generational fight that will be won through military intervention, intelligence gathering, human infiltration of terrorist organizations, and engaging Muslim communities that are at risk of extremism to show them that Western ideals and culture are not a threat to them.

Iraq and the latest fighting in Lebanon have done nothing to quell Islamic extremism - but a strong argument can be made that they have worsened the situation. Without the other elements I listed above, there are no winners by just choosing the military option.

11:40 AM, August 13, 2006  
Blogger The Liberal Lie The Conservative Truth said...

Rob, I went to great explanation to show that winning will entail military, law enforcement, intelligence, and the private citizen plus anything else at out disposal. This war is winnable and involves far more than Al Qaeda. As I mentioned bin Laden does not control, Hezbollah, Hamas, Iran, Syria, or even Al Qaeda since they operate as individual cells independant from leadership. His death or capture would have accomplished only a temporary moral victory five years ago as it would today.

This war involves any and all means through military, technology , law enforcement that we have available and it is winnable. It won't be an over night victory but a long term engagement that will require patience to bring about the defeat of this fanatical enemy.


11:49 AM, August 13, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

Two more points. I don't understand why you keep saying that we should "call a spade a spade." Everyone knows that these are Islamic extremists. Who doesn't know that?

This war is also different because Americans are not asked to sacrifice. Bush pushes through tax cuts and offers oil companies and SUV buyers tax breaks. The oil that we are buying is going to fund terrorist operations against us. At the very least, you would think the President would be more outspoken about American sacrifice.

We will learn more about the dangers posed by the latest plot in coming days and weeks. However, the latest plot was so serious that Bush did not cancel his appearance at a Republican fundraiser that he attended the evening the arrests were made and the plot was announced. That should tell you something about the seriousness of the plot and where this President stands in terms of leadership.

11:52 AM, August 13, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

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12:03 PM, August 13, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

I made my last post before I read your comment. I agree with you on the multiple tools, what I should have said in my first post was that Bush and this Administration are not doing the other parts well - particularly engaging the Muslim world. When you see Condi sitting back while Israel began its counter-strikes on Lebanon, it does not help our position in the Muslim world, or with our allies.

12:07 PM, August 13, 2006  
Blogger MDConservative said...

“The oil that we are buying is going to fund terrorist operations against us.”
- Good grief, how long will that argument continue? Rob, should I go turn myself in? I suppose I am a terrorist with that big huge gas guzzlin’ SUV I fill up. I think that liberals that insist on ending programs like the TSP under the guise it violates civil liberties are aiding terrorists more than people that use oil products. Do you bicycle everywhere? I doubt it, I bet you have a car or ride the bus or take a cab. Want to meet up to turn yourself in with me?

“However, the latest plot was so serious that Bush did not cancel his appearance at a Republican fundraiser … the evening the arrests were made… That should tell you something about the seriousness of the plot and where this President stands in terms of leadership.”
- If the President stopped making appearances every time an arrest was made he would have to END all appearances. What do you want him to do while arrests are being made across the Atlantic Ocean? Stay home? Go to a bunker? Or I guess it isn’t serious unless Bush flew to England and was personally on the take down team helping out with the arrests. Leadership, you mean raising money to help out and LEAD the republican party to make sure that Democrats don’t take over and reverse and undo all the progress that has been made. I would say that is indeed leadership. You get made when we stick our noses in other countries business, now you get mad when we don’t. Which way is it?

“When you see Condi sitting back while Israel began its counter-strikes on Lebanon, it does not help our position in the Muslim world, or with our allies.”
- The “muslim world” is not our ally. Israel is. Basically you are starting the argument that the “muslim world” is right and we should turn our back on our allies. Fantastic idea!

12:37 PM, August 13, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

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5:12 PM, August 13, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

MDCons - If you think our oil consumption has nothing to do with how much money our enemies in the Middle East have then you are fooling yourself. On a higher level, oil in the Middle East is precisely why we have an interest in the region - otherwise we really wouldn't care.

Bush is welcome to go to his fundraiser, that is his choice. If the plot was so serious, I would expect a "war-time" President to meet with his top cabinet members and members of congress to be sure that everyone is on the same page and all bases are covered. I happen to think that the President should represent the people not just his party. But we can disagree on this point.

I never said the muslim world was right - those are your words. Our European allies disagreed with us, our Middle Eastern allies (Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan) disagreed with us, Pakistan and Indonesia disagreed with us. Probably most embarrassing, Iraq disagreed with us. These countries are also allies - the latter ones are Muslim nations - just in case you did not know.

If you looked at the points that Ken and I agreed on about the war on terror needing to be fought on multiple levels, then ticking off all of our allies - European and Muslim - doesn't help.

5:16 PM, August 13, 2006  
Blogger MDConservative said...

You do realize he had a meeting with the entire cabinet either that day or the day before? I apologize for not having the exact date, but how can you claim he is not doing his job when he speaks to the entire cabinet regarding a matter? (Just as you say should be done.)

10:31 AM, August 14, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

Obviously the President receives briefings, but show me some post/link to this meeting you are referring to. I can find no discussion of it on the White House webpage. Snow made no mention of this meeting that you are referring to.

In fact, on Friday Snow explicitly said, Bush would meet with the SECDEF and the defense policy team on Monday (today). This gets to the heart of my point - that Bush didn't really see it as much of an emergency. Again, no return to Washington, but he made his fundraiser in Wisconsin.

Show me a link if you have any other information. I'd be happy to admit my mistake if you show me otherwise.

11:37 AM, August 14, 2006  
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11:37 AM, August 14, 2006  
Blogger Vern1966 said...

I'm late into the conversation, but upon reading the post (which in my mind doesn't nearly justify being in Iraq), I couldn't help but ponder something -- why did we not go to "war" with radical extremists in our own country after the Oklahoma City bombings? It was just as brazen an attack (although smaller by degree) as 9/11, by terrorists. I think it's because we had a much smarter man in the White House, who knew how to go about ferreting out and bringing to justice the guilty parties.

2:51 PM, August 16, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

Jumping into a hole without knowing what is inside it is foolish. But Bush did it anyway.

Right before the invasion of Iraq, Bush did not even know that there were two sects of Islam - Sunni and Shia - that were at odds with each other. He just figured all Muslim Arabs were the same. Now 2600+ American soldiers have died, 20,000 have been injured, and hundreds of billions of American tax dollars have been wasted.

2:59 PM, August 16, 2006  
Blogger MDConservative said...

Smarter man in the White House?

Are you talking about the man who did nothing about Bin Laden when given the chance?
Or the man that let radicals win in Somalia, and the US shamed?
Or the man that did basically nothing regarding the USS Cole bombing?

Yes he is a "smarter man" in the sense that he feared to confront any problem even when attacked.

And last I checked the domestic attack in Oklahoma was investigated and the involved parties were convicted. Oh yeah, wasn’t one of them executed? (There is one success you can chalk up in Clinton’s corner.)

7:32 PM, August 16, 2006  
Blogger Indigo Red said...

"Islam is the largest religion in the world..."

This one of the cleverest bits of false propaganda put out by the Islamists. Few news organs have ever bothered to check, they just repeat this non-sense. So here are the facts:

Islam is NOT the largest religion in the world.

Christianity - 2.1 billion
Islam - 1.3 billion
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist - 1.1 billion.

Islam may NOT even the fastest growing religion. Islam claims a growth rate of 235% with Christianity growing at 47%. The original stats are from the Reader's Digest Almanac and Yearbook 1983. The 235% growth rate is impressive until one learns it is over a 50 year period. The Islamic growth rate is linked directly to the birthrates of third world countries many of which are Muslim. Third world Muslims tend to have many children to ensure that some survive childhood. Muslims in the First world have fewer children and enjoy a highre standard of living because of it.

Islam claims as adherrants all people born to a Muslim father and these children have no choice of religious affiliation. Christian fellowship has always been by choice, one is not born Christian, one is born-again Christian. In most surveys of Christian religion growth, the newer forms of worship have not been included as they were considered to be outside the mainstream churches. The growth of non-denominational Christian chuches and membership still isn't counted and no one really knows how many Christians are in China, N.Korea, and VietNam where Christianity is less than welcome.

As we all know, statistics can be damned lies and still look to be accurate. Growth rates from a samll number may be impressive but the total raw number is still small. Christianity with a larger total population still gets bigger with a smaller percentage rate of increase than Islam with a smaller population and larger percentage increase.

The number of people leaving Christianity, Judaim, and other religions are not necessarily joining Islam, either. The Non-believer group is growing pretty fast, too, and may be the real competition to Islam.

10:52 PM, August 16, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

MDCons - I think you missed Vern's point about OK City. Clinton would have been more like the foolish Bush if he had started a war because of the bombing.

Based on the records, it is pretty easy to argue that Clinton was smarter. The entire Middle East is now much more radicalized. North Korea and Iran are much stronger. Even Somalia is now fully under the control of Islamic thugs.

You can go on believing that Bush is smarter, no problem. We can just disagree. I won't even bring up the national debt accumulation and budget and trade deficits.

2:02 PM, August 17, 2006  
Blogger MDConservative said...

I happen to think that both individuals are very intelligent. To make the argument that all this is happening because Bush is stupid, well... is just stupid. Clinton held countless Israeli-Palestine peace talks, and in the end there was no peace. Somalia is now under the control of Islamic thugs, Clinton was the one that pulled troops out. Maybe if he had stood strong in that situation it would not be that way.

Why would Clinton start a war over OK when it was a domestic situation? Of course he didn’t start a war, who would he go after overseas? Bush went to war overseas because the attackers we are encountering now are coming from other countries to blow us up. I know it is radical but I’d rather blow them up there than wait until they come here.

You are so worried about the mid-east being radicalized (I’d say they already were, just in the closet), what is more important: caring that they are radicalized, or caring about doing anything to prevent another attack here? Besides being in Iraq, what do you think it is that has triggered your so called radicalization? Last I checked we were not fighting in Afghanistan or Iraq on 9/10/01. So what caused those attacks? Could it be they are already radicals and what we do isn’t going to change that?

11:39 AM, August 18, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

If you think that the Iraq war has not created more enemies for the U.S. you are just dreaming. Just within Iraq's borders, the millions of Shia in Iraq who hated Saddam now largely hate us because of what we have done to their country.

The Bush push for democracy has been a dismal failure. It has resulted in Hamas and Hezbollah winning elections. Iran certainly is gaining power and influence in the region. Then, because of how bad things have gone and Bush's personal ties he does nothing to Saudi Arabia and Egypt. They are certainly not democracy-loving countries. There is no consistency to what we are doing in the region.

10:09 PM, August 18, 2006  
Blogger Vern1966 said...

Hi MDCons,
The point of my OK comment was just what you allude to...that Clinton wisely treated it as a crime. 9/11 was one as well, and we should have pursued the perps as such. Instead, Bush acted like a guy who was worried about getting stung going out into his yard and taking a hammer to the bee's nest. He's ultimately created far more problems than a more reasoned approach would have. So does that make him stupid? Well, that and about a dozen other screw-ups....yeah, it does. And not just stupid, mind you, but a genuinely bad person. Very bad. Hate him?....naaa. Think he's the worst elected leader our country has ever had....he's among them, yes.

8:10 PM, August 26, 2006  
Anonymous jkilkullen said...

"though all Mulims are not terrorists, all terrorist are Muslims."

What?? That's waaaay too easy to prove wrong. I'll start with the most obvious, the Irish Republican Army (IRA). Then there's Somalia's homegrown Mooryaan, and the ETA Basque separatists in Spain. Then, as vern1966 pointed out, there's Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber who was not a muslim but happened to be a white Christian American citizen, although the media had prematurely jumped the gun by accusing Muslim terorists from the Middle East for committing that tragedy in Oklahoma City (that accusation was later retracted). And what about the Hindu Fundamentalists who destroyed the Ayodia Mosque in India? What if a Ku Klux Klan member burns a cross in front of the dwelling of an African-American? If that isn't terrorism, I guess I don't understand the meaning of the word.

The meaning of the word "terrorism" apparently is: "whatever we say it is, in a way that supports decisions we have made or want to make."

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