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Wednesday, June 28, 2006

NY TIMES - "TERRORISTS SHOULD HAVE KNOWN" MONEY BEING FOLLOWED

I realize that there has been quite a lot of posting and commentary on the NY Times revelation of the terrorist financial surveillance program but this story somewhat takes the cake. The Times in defending themselves for printing the story now saying that the, "Terrorist groups would have had to be fairly credulous not to suspect that they would be subject to scrutiny if they moved money around through international wire transfers." Yeah and a thief knows the police suspect that he may be robbing someone and a murderer may think that he could get caught. This is the most ridiculous defense possible. I'll call it the five year old whining defense. "But they knew it all the time so we didn't do anything wrong, wha, wha, wha." Of course terrorist knew we were tracking their money, but until you morons at the NY Times revealed the details they did not have a clue as to HOW we were doing it. Now they can redirect the financing or launder it in a way that will take a different avenue thus making it more difficult to find. Why don't you offer a free subscription to your buddies in the terrorist business while your at it NY Times ? The Times editorial then goes on to take the opportunity to once again reveal their true intent of publishing this story about the program stating that the program reveals a pattern of creating an, "extraordinarily powerful executive branch," that bypasses the checks and balances in our government, which contradicts their own story in which they admitted in the original story that the financial program was legal and Congress had been informed. Once again the Times proves that their agenda is liberal and designed to attack the President. The NY Times the greatest ally that terrorism has. That is defiantly something to be proud of. Hey but its freedom of the press, but need I remind the Times that the Founding Fathers in their wisdom instilled all of our freedoms in the Constitution but did not remove personal responsibility with that freedom. Freedom of the press means just that freedom WITH responsibility, which is the one aspect of that freedom that the Times lacks!

Ken Taylor

28 Comments:

Anonymous JEFF GANGUCK said...

JUDY MILLER WILL BE MISSED. SHE DID A GREAT JOB FOR US AT THE TIMES JUST BEFORE THE BUILD UP AND AFTER. WE TELL BETTER LIES THAN THE DEMS. 12 NIGHTS IN THE WHITE HOUSE. I SLEPT WITH.

9:23 PM, June 28, 2006  
Anonymous JEFF GANGUCK said...

DID BUSH HAVE SEX WITH LEONA MCCONNELL AND FORMER KNOXVILLE MAYOR VICTOR ASHE? I HEARD THIS ON A TALK RADIO SHOW TODAY. PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS NOT TRUE.

9:25 PM, June 28, 2006  
Blogger Vern1966 said...

OK, let's get it straight. NOT A SECRET.

NOT A SECRET! Got it? SWIFT has a website. Bush has said himself in the press that finances would be tracked. And according to him, these guys are sophisticated and cunning. My guess is that they already know the government is monitoring financial activity.

The only "secret" here, the real jist of the story, is that Bush (once again) thought he could spy on people with absolutely no oversight. But apparently, you're OK with that, right?

2:14 PM, June 29, 2006  
Blogger Vern1966 said...

OK, once more, folks:

NOT A SECRET.

NOT

A

SECRET!!



Got it? SWIFT has a website. Bush has said innumerable times that terrorist finances will be tracked. Is HE guilty of treason for telling the world that? He's also said that they are sophisticated and cunning. Good thing they hadn't been able to guess that the US government would want to monitor financial activity. It made us so safe.

Treason, my ass.

This is the biggest gust of politicized hot air the right has ever blown. The only "secret" here, the real gist of the NYT story, is that once again, Bush thinks he can conduct surveillence without oversight. Patently and blatantly un-American. So what does that make you?

2:27 PM, June 29, 2006  
Blogger Vern1966 said...

Hey, my first post DID go thru....well I'll be. Got an error message, but I guess it went after all.

Oh, well. Sorry to be redundant. But the point bears making twice anyway.

2:31 PM, June 29, 2006  
Blogger Vern1966 said...

Ken,
Follow your own logic here for a minute by looking at the thief or the murderer. Yes, they'll know that what they're doing is against the law. So what? Point is that you guys are saying that NBC should be tried as accomplices to their crimes for airing "Law & Order" because they show the methods that the police use to catch criminals. Tell me I'm wrong here. It's the same damn thing, because the methods of both ARE NOT A SECRET.

4:20 PM, June 29, 2006  
Blogger MDConservative said...

You are just as wrong as Anonymous was in a previous post. Why don't you sit down and learn a thing or two by responding to my reply, I would just simply love to hear your opinion.

http://theliberalslies.blogspot.com/2006/06/ny-times-hypocrisy-and-destruction.html

6:13 PM, June 29, 2006  
Blogger Vern1966 said...

I see absolutely no conflict here whatsoever. None. I absolutely agree with the Times original article. There OUGHT to be this kind of tracking. But the government can track finances, or track phone calls. etc, and do other things to thwart the efforts of terrorists AND ALSO ADHERE TO THE REQUISITE OVERSITE SPELLED OUT BY LAW. They aren't. And apparently, you are OK with that. I'm not. Hell, I barely trust the oversite process in government most of the time, but in these times, that's as much trust as I can reasonably extend to the government.

As to it's being a secret that the Times "exposed"......BULL S**T. Pure, unmitigated CRAP.

9:56 AM, June 30, 2006  
Blogger Gayle said...

Ken, regardless of the left's ridiculous stand on this, you got it right! This is absolute betrayal. The NYTs was asked to not publish it and they did so anyway. This goes way beyond so-called "freedom of the press." It's outrageous traitorous behavior and anyone should be able to understand that. The left can deny all they want but it doesn't change the fact that when it comes to the NYTs, personal responsibility and journalism these days have nothing whatsoever in common.

10:01 AM, June 30, 2006  
Blogger Vern1966 said...

Here's an idea, Ken. Let's see if someone can count the number of times the president has said in public that we are tracking their finances. My guess -- it's a lot. As far as how they do it? I'm in finance. I can tell you three different ways that financial transactions are tracked by some agency. No, wait. Go call your broker or banker and ask them. They'll tell you.

HOWEVER, here's a big help: www.swift.com (are you listening, terrorists?) It's the SWIFT website.

BIG SECRET.

10:08 AM, June 30, 2006  
Blogger Vern1966 said...

Gayle, this might be a stretch, but consider this....that the Administration didn't want the NYT to go to press because the article exposed the fact that, ONCE AGAIN, the government -- YOUR GOVERNMENT -- the people you trust to act within the dictates of the law, are ONCE AGAIN not doing so. That's why they didn't want them to go to press with the NSA thing, or the Plame thing, etc etc etc.

Gee, they sure have lots of things they don't want reported. Aw, heck, though! That's OK with you, right? Who cares if your own government operates outside of our carefully laid out system of checks and balances?

10:16 AM, June 30, 2006  
Blogger Vern1966 said...

Here's another interesting project for all "small government" conservatives: Find out how many times Bush has amended laws passed by Congress with "signing statements" -- statements that basically let the president decide which parts of laws he does or doesn't have to follow. You'll love it. And then ask yourself which parts of any law YOU get to do that with. Then tell me when he said, while being sworn into office, that he promises to uphold MOST laws.

Yes, Bush is the consumate conservative. He believes in very VERY small government -- one consisting only of him.

12:02 PM, June 30, 2006  
Blogger Vern1966 said...

And then there's this, from Dana Milbank of the Washington Post (I paraphrase):

"The administration has been beating up on the media so much lately and accusing them of treason that people, with this [Supreme Court] ruling, might begin to think that perhaps it is the administration that is not handling things properly."

Gee.....perhaps?

7:34 PM, June 30, 2006  
Blogger MDConservative said...

Vern,
I comment for unknown reasons, I have written you off as a "lost cause."

I have plenty of classified and unclassified knowledge that could help al Qaeda. I would NEVER disclose classified information, or any other information that has a POTENTIAL of helping al Qaeda. You are cut from a very different cloth, wanting to run around giving out the website of SWIFT as much as possible. Why would you want to put anything out there that has the possibility of helping people get around our defenses to put in to place another 9/11? Just because it is out there you want to make it as easy as possible to access? While the President said we are tracking finances he never mentioned the use of SWIFT and foreign Governments aid. So just stop it with the “it’s out there, the President said so way back…”

I just cannot even begin to comprehend it. Exactly at what point do you find it acceptable that the military and Government have secrets? I would like to see the correspondence of democratic lawmakers, my tax money pays their salary… why can’t I see it? How in the world can that be deemed more classified and privileged than State Secrets used to fight terrorists? Lets start publishing that correspondence on the front of the NYT, that is fair isn’t it?

12:44 AM, July 02, 2006  
Blogger Vern1966 said...

OK, MD. You're almost there. Let's go over it again.

web site = not secret

You're on your way, pal.

Now, I'm just fine with the military having secrets. It'd be difficult to gain the advantage otherwise. But I'm not a big fan of the government having secrets. Why are you? It says "conservative" right there in your moniker, and yet you and every other "conservative" is giddy over the concentration of power at the executive level. And as I've already pointed out, the only secret revealed by the NYT article was that there was absolutely no oversight involved. You see, these programs aren't great things to have (who wants their government spying on them?), but they are necessary and they work WHEN THEY ARE PROPERLY IMPLEMENTED. When they are not, they are dangerous, and the people screwing with them -- Bush and his cronies -- are the real traitors. Of course, you and your kind would love it if I were carted off for simply SAYING that, right?

4:24 PM, July 03, 2006  
Blogger Vern1966 said...

As far as the idea of being able to see what your elected officials say, how they vote, etc., that's called "blue sky" laws, and they are indeed a great idea. we have them in San Francisco, and ya know why? 'Cuz it's NOT a conservative town. See, conservatives seem to be pretty happy with the government keeping the people OUT of government.

However, you've got to check yourself for a minute. Why can't you peek into the correspondences of your lawmakers? Well, if you work for a corporation, by your logic, then because I buy the products that produce income for your company that pays your salary, then I somehow have a right to see your e-mails, listen to your phone calls. My guess is that you wouldn't like that. Neither would I, and neither would members of congress, and I respect that. So although blue sky laws are good, an open book into lawmakers private business is not. But you are on to something.

4:58 PM, July 03, 2006  
Blogger MDConservative said...

You finally catch my drift. Companies have secrets, lawmakers do, why are you so deadest against allowing the intelligence community to have them? Oh and just so you know, your concept of “it has a website, all knew about it” was wrong. Even the Belgium Govt. didn’t know about the program. The press screwed us over.

http://ci-report.blogspot.com/2006/07/will-swift-become-slow-and-stopped.html

9:33 AM, July 05, 2006  
Blogger Vern1966 said...

And I have secrets. And so do you. And so do all of your readers. Secrets of one kind or another. And the reason I don't want the intelligence community to know everything about everyone is because our founding fathers didn't. We do not live in the USSR.

There is a fine line that separates civil liberty from security, and when we straddle that line, it is most important that check-and-balances are adamantly adhered to. And as we've seen time and time again, Bush does NOT buy in to this idea. He has not only skirted oversight procedures, he has openly defied them, and has vowed to continue to do so. That's just plain wrong, and that's all there is to it.

6:17 PM, July 05, 2006  
Blogger Roger Yang said...

You know, the NYTimes is not the greatest ally the terrorists have. The greatest ally the terrorists have are actually...ironically republicans.

They are bent on destroying us. What better way than to destroy our economy? The more Bush cuts taxes, and the more our debts mount, the faster our economy will fall. They will have succeeded in their dream. Destroying the US.

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