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Thursday, April 13, 2006


The continual defiance of Iran concerning their now successful nuclear capability is nothing new since Iran has been defiant to the world since the beginning of the fanatic Islamic theocracy leadership in the 70's. Beginning with the U.S. hostage crises during the Carter administration Iran has never followed what is considered protocol for peaceful nations of the world. Each time that Iran has exercised their defiance they have remained steadfast until they accomplished their initial goal. For instance the hostage crises was Iran showing the world that they did not fear the, "great satan, " and as the crises progressed their intent became directed at the embarrassment and weakening of the Carter administration. Of course Carter did not need help in administering a weak Presidency but the Iranians succeeded in the total embarrassment of the United States and Carter even to the point of releasing the hostages immediately upon the inauguration of President Reagan. Their defiance and persistence in succeeding in their objective is what makes Iran so dangerous in the current confrontation over nuclear enrichment and weapons. They have proven throughout the theocratic regime that they have no fear of the military power of the west especially the United States and that they have an understanding as to how far to push the envelope before backing down in their rhetoric slightly before resuming their hard line stance. All the while using this deception as a means to keep the world off track just enough to eventually accomplish their objective and in a sense forcing the world to accept not only their defiance but whatever they set out to and then eventually achieved. This particular confrontation has much greater ramifications than any previous objective that Iran has pushed because of the danger that it holds for the Middle east, Europe, Asia and of course the United States. As a sponsor of terrorism it is highly feasible that though Iran does not have the delivery capability at this time to reach the United States with a nuclear missile they do have the capability of developing a small device that can be disguised in a package such as a suitcase and smuggled into the United States by a Iranian sponsored terrorist then detonated in a major city with devastating results. With the announcement of the successful enrichment of uranium Iran will move to "industrial scale'' uranium enrichment involving 54,000 centrifuges at its Natanz plant, the Associated Press quoted deputy nuclear chief Mohammad Saeedi as telling state-run television today. According to Stephen Rademaker, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for International Security and Nonproliferation, "Using those 50,000 centrifuges they could produce enough highly enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon in 16 days.'' Yet according to Iranian President Ahmadinejad Iran is enriching uranium for energy use only with no intent in weapons development. Once again the backing down of the hard line rhetoric creating the deception that could allow the time necessary to complete their goal of a nuclear weapon. While this deception and what looks to be the eventual completion of weapons capability whether it is sixteen days as the above report states or sixteen months, Iran cannot be allowed nuclear weapons capability because their extremist views will insure an attack somewhere. Diplomacy is always the first step but the world drags its feet through the United Nations which contributes to the complacency in many of the worlds trouble spots. Military action is always the last resort and if the use of tactical nuclear weapons becomes necessary to a targeted response to the Natanz plant then so be it. There are many more military options to a nuclear strike even if it is a tactical nuke which has more control of the fall out. Air strikes followed by ground action may also do the trick. Once again diplomacy must be exhausted first but if history holds true with Iran then force will become necessary because of Iran's defiant and deceptive attitude combined with their arrogant lack of fear to a military response to their actions. Many believe that Iran will back down and comply to world demands but their past shows otherwise.

Ken Taylor


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Blogger Rob said...

I don't necessarily disagree with much of what you say, but I do think the saber-rattling is not productive to a diplomatic solution. There is no support in the world for a military strike - it would only serve to isolate the U.S. Even British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw called a strike, "Nuts."

We are far from a military strike - because of world opinion, and they have great leverage in the world because of their oil and the multi-billion dollar deals they have struck with Russia, China, Pakistan, and India.

There are several realities that should be considered - Pakistan and North Korea already have the capabilities for endangering the lives of Americans. They have it right now, yet we do nothing.

The loose nukes in Russia are a much greater threat than Iran.

If you are afraid that Iran is really crazy enough to launch a nuclear attack, why would they not just use their considerable oil wealth to buy nukes that are easy enough to procure and launch an attack right now?

It seems reasonable to me that Iran wants to build a nuclear deterrent capability because it is surrounded by Israel, Russia, China, Pakistan, and India. Deterrant capability against nuclear powers that surround them seems much more likely than wanting to launch an attack which would ensure their destruction.

Finally, it sure would be nice if Valerie Plame and the CIA front company, Brewster Jennings, had not been outed by the Bush White House for political purposes. Maybe we would know how far along Iran actually was. But alas, we don't.

11:29 PM, April 13, 2006  
Blogger The Liberal Lie The Conservative Truth said...

The main difference between Kim Jung Mentally-ill and the Iranian theocracy is that Kim is a hot-air wind bag who uses a threat to bribe the world into giving money and food to his people because he has blown it on his whims and fancies. He also has a healthy fear of military action and the strength of the U.S. arsenal. Iran does not have that fear and the fear is what keeps North Korea in check which will not keep Iran in check. They do not wish a nuclear arsenal for protection against neighbors who have it but to use it as a threat and a means of attack to neighbors especially Israel. Even Europe understands this evidenced by the fact that they too are condemning Iran and actually speaking tough though their usual response is whimpy at best.

Rob this Bush intel leak is a non-story and you know it. As far as Plame everyone already knew her CIA ties well before the supposed leak. Even her husband had already reveiled who she was in his book and in social gatherings as much as two years before this supposed White house outing. Additionally she had not been covert for more than five years. The first outing came from a source in Moscow who she had been dealing with as and agent. She was a WMD anylist at the time of the supposed outing. Remember Fitzgeralds multi-million dollar investigation found no evidence of her outing and only charged Libby with lying about the time line in his testimony.


8:42 PM, April 14, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

Iran's President is a nut - but Iran is years from a nuclear bomb. On top of that, they have offered to farm out nuclear power production to Western business interests. As I have said, the saber-rattling is just not helpful.

As far as the leak investigation, I think you are woefully misinformed. Show me any evidence you have that it was well known that Plame was an undercover CIA agent. Plame's friends, neighbors, and college classmates had no idea she was a NOC officer. If it was so well known, why was the first Republican talking point about Plame that she was an administrative desk jockey at the CIA? When that one turned out to be false, then they changed it to - it was well known that Plame was an undercover CIA operative. That is just plain stupid - there aren't any NOC operatives who are "well known" to be undercover.

I won't try to convince you that her outing did great damage to our intelligence capabilities, particularly with respect to Iran. But if you are interested, I would recommend reading the Libby indictment. Also, you can read the following:

I am fairly confident that a great deal more will be revealed in the months that come. In addition, given that Rove is not on the prosecution witness list, it seems clear that he remains a target of the ongoing investigation.

10:37 PM, April 14, 2006  
Blogger MDConservative said...

That "article" is a load. That is all I have to say.

10:21 AM, April 15, 2006  
Blogger Republican Aficionado said...

anytime it comes from "rawstory" you know it's a load. Hell, if it comes from Mary Mapes at CBS you know its a load. The liberal media has really built up credibility. hahaha.

5:47 PM, April 15, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

It is now well established that Plame was a NOC agent. She was working on WMD issues in Iran.

She "worked" for a CIA front company called Brewster Jennings as an "energy analyst." As a NOC agent, if she was captured by our enemies, the U.S. government would disavow any links to her. She risked her life for our country and she, and all of the other agents who worked for Brewster Jennings, were exposed by the Bush administration for political purposes. That is the sad truth.

Like I said, you can believe what you want. It certainly would be nice if we had a President who actually cared about the seriousness of the issue, but we don't. Just read the Libby indictment and Fitzgerald's press conference announcement.

Do you guys even know what qualifications Joseph Wilson had when he was tapped to investigate the alleged Niger link? Do you even know what his background was? He certainly was no flaming liberal, but Republicans have tried to paint him as one.

9:54 PM, April 15, 2006  
Blogger MDConservative said...

Look Rob, this is not personal... You have no clue what you are talking about. This has nothing to do with it being from "RawStory", it has everything to do with the fact that it is inaccurate.

I ask you rob, if her cover was blown and her life in jeopardy why is she doing magazine covers. Why is she remaining around D.C.? Why is her husband all over the place?

If you are working as a NOC, you are ready to vanish. If you are really deep and your cover is blown you sever ties and end up moving to "Nowhere, Alaska." You don't hang around.

The whole premise is so absurd I am surprised that someone who, from reading your other posts, is obviously intelligent would bite on this. I suggest you take a step back. You are making the mistake Rather did... you want the story to be true so badly you are willing to treat anything that could make it “possible”… as making it 100% fact.

11:16 PM, April 16, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

Why is she doing covers? Because her cover was blown! Why should she go to Nowhere, Alaska and suffer? It wasn't her fault - it was the White House's fault. The damage to her and to the value of Brewster Jennings was done, so there is no more value in her staying undercover - that is why she is essentially retired from the CIA.

As near as I can tell, the only criticism you guys offer is that Raw Story is unreliable and somehow has the story wrong. You do not offer any counter sources or discussion, you just say it is absurd. OK here are some other links:,2933,99119,00.html

The facts are what they are. I don't "hope for a story to be true." The damage to our national security has been done. If anything, I wish the White House had not been so petty and political that is actually caused such severe damage to U.S. intelligence capabilities, for nothing.

Like I have said earlier, more on this is sure to come out as the investigation continues, Libby's trial begins, and more is learned. It is now very clear to me that significant damage was done. If there is any "hoping" about this story, it is from Bush supporters like you who "hope" that it is not true. You are entitled to continue to delude yourself - be my guest.

12:04 AM, April 17, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

Oh yeah? Did anyone actually look up what Joe Wilson has done for this country? For 22 years he served in the Foreign Service for this country, including as Deputy Chief of Mission at the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad from 1988-1991. He actually dealt with Saddam for Bush Sr.

In fact Bush Sr. called him "truly inspiring" and "courageous." for sheltering more than 100 Americans at the embassy, after Saddam Hussein threatened to execute foreigners prior to the First Gulf War.

If you actually think that Valerie Plame sent her husband to Niger to damage the Bush Adminstration's case for Iraq, you are just horribly misinformed.

12:32 AM, April 17, 2006  
Blogger MDConservative said...

People feel it is so bad because of security reasons and the fact that "it put her and her families life at risk."

Well she was not a NOC, therefore her "cover" wasn't blown.

If she is so at risk you would move. No matter who is at fault. You would get your family out of danger! That shows you that they are one of several options:
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But in reality it isn't so much her, it's HIM. I doubt she wants to be all over the place. Have her name everywhere. I will pretend for the moment she was NOC agent. You spend your time in the shadows, the last thing you want to do is be all over the place. That is certainly how it is with me.

BUT HE, is LOVING the attention! So HE is placing his family in danger. HE keeps the beat going. HE needs it because HE is nothing without the cameras and periodic op-eds.

I don't care what anyone said about him. People turn sides. I was cringing when the President said how great President Fox was and how he looked in to Putin's eyes and saw a good man. There are two things Bush got wrong, hound him on those.

The Wilson thing, not so much.

11:39 AM, April 17, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

There is no question she was undercover. The CBS link identifies her as a NOC officer. If you Google the Plame affair, I am confident you will find ample links to show that she was a NOC officer.

Your response is that she wasn't a NOC officer because, "she wasn't." Like I said, believe what you want.

Ambassador Wilson served 22 years and risked his life for this country. He pointed out a truth about the faulty assertions about yellowcake, and he and his wife were attacked politically. Then, you want to blame him for the White House exposing his undercover CIA wife. Whatever.

12:12 PM, April 17, 2006  
Blogger MDConservative said...

CBSNews? I would cut that out of your argument. They have had a rough couple years involving credibility, especially with anything involving this President.

"Ambassador Wilson served 22 years and risked his life for this country."

Go easy on the rhetoric there, he wasn't exactly a Marine storming the beaches. Sure he did some good work and dedicated his life to Government work. It tends to be those people that get lippy and feel they have not been given what they deserve. So when the person has the chance to write an op-ed and book. Why not?

Once again... for the administration to expose her, she has to be undercover in the first place. You can google all you want. Read any source you want. My sources happen to be living and breathing, have far better access than any journalist, and have a quite different viewpoint. I've trusted them with my life in the past, and I go with them over CBSNews.

12:42 PM, April 18, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

Still you offer nothing except your unsubstantiated opinion.

And as I thought, you have no idea what Wilson has done for this country. Under Bush Sr., from 1988 to 1991, he was the Deputy Chief of Mission at the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, Iraq. He was hailed as "truly inspiring" and "courageous" by Bush Sr. after sheltering more than one hundred Americans at the embassy, despite Saddam Hussein's threats to execute anyone who refused to hand over foreigners.

Wilson was Bush Sr.'s last diplomat to meet with Saddam. When Saddam threatened to execute anyone sheltering foreigners in Iraq, Wilson publicly repudiated the dictator by showing up to a press conference wearing a homemade noose around his neck. Saddam offered a public apology.

He risked his life to save Americans from Saddam.

1:51 PM, April 18, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

In less than 5 minutes I found the following articles:

Time Magazine -

The New York Times

The Hill -

Again, believe what you want. But let me ask you this, if Plame was a NOC agent and her cover was blown do you believe those responsible (including potentially the President) should be held responsible?

Certainly this is a fact (NOC or not) that will emerge when Libby goes to trial.

2:26 PM, April 18, 2006  
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5:36 PM, April 18, 2006  
Blogger Mike's America said...

"There is no support in the world for a military strike"

More of John Kerry and the global test?

It's up to our leadership to use whatever tools we need to protect our security, regardless of what anyone else thinks.

And those same leaders will have to make a case for military action if it is called for.

But to remove the threat of such action would be S T U P I D!

Frankly, Iran declared war against us in 1979 when they invaded our embassy and took our people hostage for 444 days. They've been funding and training terrorists who have been killing Americans since that time.

I'm so tired of the typical lefties willfulness in ignoring problems until they become so very dangerous that only military solutions are the answer... Then of course they complain about that.

More proof the left has no answers to anything.

11:07 PM, April 21, 2006  
Blogger MDConservative said...

"Still you offer nothing except your unsubstantiated opinion."

- Fair enough. It is not an opinion but, I will not violate law and substantiate it.

"And as I thought, you have no idea what Wilson has done for this country ... When Saddam threatened to execute anyone sheltering foreigners in Iraq, Wilson publicly repudiated the dictator by showing up to a press conference wearing a homemade noose around his neck. Saddam offered a public apology.

- Wow Rob you can cut and paste from Wikipedia. Congrats. Of course I know what he did in the past.

It is great that he did that, at the same time keep in mind the US Military was coming to Iraq. Saddam knew to kill the top diplomat from the US would have meant the complete annihilation of his country.

"Certainly this is a fact (NOC or not) that will emerge when Libby goes to trial."

- What is the fact that will come out in the trial? Basically you just said "things will be said during the trial." Yes that will happen.

Now if in the trial there is no such conclusion of an outing, will that silent you or will you just contend that the "Media Court" is the real one so you can continue to carry on with this story?

If a NOC agent is “outted” unlawfully: anyone that directed the action, oversaw, and/or participated should be charged.

Only 2/3 of your words?

"Frankly, Iran declared war against us in 1979 when they invaded our embassy..."

- Very good point MA. On a very technical level any embassy is considered sovereign soil of that country. Basically Iran took military action against UNITED STATES soil. Good point MA.

Since you contend the embassy work is so important and courageous Rob, doesn't that mean Iran declared war, as said, and we not only can, but should, no MUST respond with a military action?

11:09 AM, April 22, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

We are not going to launch a military strike. Negroponte said just this week that Iran is years away from making a nuclear bomb. There is no way Americans are going to accept paying $6/gallon for gas. All the saber-rattling does is raise gas prices.

Iran knows we are not going to launch a strike. It just makes us look like idiots for threatening something that is not going to happen.

In a global economy, it does matter what the world thinks. Mike, who do you think pays for our deficits? The Japanese, Chinese, and OPEC nations hold more than $1 trillion in American debt. If they stopped buy U.S. Treasury Securities our economy would tank. Thanks to Bush, foreigners now hold $2.3 trillion in U.S. debt. China owns more of the U.S. every year.

As far as Plame is concerned, she was a NOC agent and Brewster Jennings was the CIA front company that was also exposed by Novak as a direct result of the White House's leaks. If I see any proof to the contrary that emerges from the trial, I am willing to change my mind.

10:25 PM, April 22, 2006  
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