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Sunday, April 02, 2006

CENSURE OR NOT TO CENSURE - FEINGOLD'S FOLLY - THE SUNDAY COMMENTARY

Senator Russ Feingold, (D WI), has submitted a measure before the United States Senate to censure President Bush over the terrorist surveillance program or as the left and the media falsely call it, "domestic spying." On Friday the Senate began hearings on Feingold's measure and just in case you did not notice the media has ignored for the most part the hearings and the majority of Feingold's party is treating this as a red headed step child. So why post a commentary on a subject that is somewhat being ignored ? I have come to the conclusion that there are only three possible reasons other than Feingold's Presidential aspirations that would cause this censure measure when everyone believes that it has no possibility of passing. First, even with only the hearings the stigma of censure can be tagged to the President in an election year regardless of the outcome of the measure. Second, with the process of censuring taking place again in an election year many Senators might distance themselves from Bush and as such limit his capability of pressing his second term agenda because of weak support in the Senate thus making him a three year lame duck President. Thirdly, if by some miracle the Democrats get control of the House and Senate in November, ( which is highly unlikely though they believe that the country is buying their snow job) , then a censure member would pave the way for impeachment on the same false charges. This ridiculous measure that should have never been allowed to gain any momentum now has the stigma of Senate hearings which though viewed non-news worthy and with little attention given by the public can give Bush some trouble with members of the Republican Party especially those seeking re-election. How much if any damage it does to his Presidency remains to be seen but it again focuses attention by the left on the false notion by the left that Bush has broken the law and lied, which is a nail they have been trying to hang their hat on since he took office.

To better understand what censure is we need to take a brief look at historical examples of the measure and its place in government. The Constitution provides only one provision for dealing with Presidential misconduct and that is impeachment which is instigated by the House and tried by the Senate for, "high crimes and misdemeanors." Though there have been rumblings in Washington and elsewhere about impeachment it is not being seriously considered for it requires evidence of violation of the law and the evidence of the surveillance program, the war in Iraq and the supposed lies during the Iraq build up prove that the President has not violated any law and has acted in the authority he has as President/Commander in Chief and authority given him by Congress. Censure on the other hand does not require evidence of violation of the law as it is a procedural rule in Congress to reel in Senators or Representatives who are abusing their position or stepping over their bounds. Basically it is a parliamentary punishment for being a , "bad boy." Those in Congress take it seriously because with censure the member loses his political power, privileges and responsibilities and usually his seat in Congress in the next election. An example of censure is the case of Senator Joe McCarthy, ironically also from Wisconsin who in the early fifties began hearings to purge the nation of communist influence. Though started with good intentions McCarthy began abusing his position and bringing anyone before Senate hearings that he deemed a communist whether the evidence was there or not. Fear of being called before McCarthy held two Presidents, Truman and Eisenhower, captive in their conduct of national affairs because of weighing the impact of their policies in light of the hearings and virtually all of the Congress was afraid to act on anything because of the stigma of being labeled communist because of, " McCarthyism." Eventually public out cry and media attention by Edward R. Murrow brought about Senate censure of McCarthy and the end of his inquisition and his political career. In 1834 Andrew Jackson, the seventh President was censured by the Whig Party as a political ploy for vetoing the extension of the Bank of the United States. This censure had a back lash with the voters taking the Whigs out of the majority and placing Jackson's Democrat Party in the majority who then expunged the censure from the record.

What impact then will the politically motivated censure measure and hearings of the President have on his Presidency ? On Friday John Dean former Presidential Advisor to Richard Nixon and convicted in the Watergate cover up testified before the Senate hearings. The purpose behind this of course was to attempt to make a comparison of Bush to Nixon which is absurd since Nixon did violate the law and Bush has not. Whenever the left has attempted to accuse Bush of violating the law they dust off the cob webs of John Dean and bring him forward for hearings. His testimony then falls into oblivion as will that on Friday but gives the left their desired sound bite with the former Nixon felon. The full impact on Bush greatly depends on the back bone of the Republican majority, the President has not violated any law and how they respond to the false accusations will greatly determine the impact. If they choose to distance themselves from him because of the, "stigma, " then it could hamper his agenda. Those who distance themselves because of fear of losing an election should reconsider. Bush is still the best fund raiser in the Republican Party and is very effective in a campaign. Additionally though the left leaning bias in polls shows Bush with low ratings and as a whole this liberal rhetoric has not damaged his overall popularity with the public. The left has yet to find any true accusations that can be proven because the President legally used the authority given him by the Constitution in performing the duties of his office and protecting this nation. If this censure nonsense is further pursued it will cause a back lash at the polls for Republicans who distance themselves and for Democrats who use it as and angry attack against Bush. It also further proves that the left will use anything at their disposal to undermine this President and attempt to destroy his Presidency regardless of the consequences. Whether the stigma of censure will be used in the fall as campaign season begins in earnest remains to be seen. With the back lash possibilities it will not surprise me to see the Democrats try and tag Bush with the stigma. Democrats have a notorious habit of shooting themselves in the foot when election time comes around because they still believe that back room politics, anger, political destruction campaigns and character attacks win elections though it has placed and kept them in the minority where they belong. So to the leadership on the left my message is to attack away and watch your minority status continue!

Ken Taylor

26 Comments:

Blogger MDConservative said...

Good piece Ken. One slight detail that everyone keeps forgetting.

- Censure applies to other members of Congress, not the President.

So basically in order for Russ to Censure the President for violating the Constitution, he himself is doing so since there is no place in the Constitution he "is trying to protect" that provides him with this power!

I ask, why are there no Senators from EITHER side Censuring Russ?

11:28 AM, April 02, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OOoooh good piece huh mdconservative, ummm tasty but I thought most of the details are secret. md is still waiting patiently for the Quaker's or the peace activists to attack the homeland. The defense of the office itself is rational, the defense of this puppet is seditious and traitorius to the constitution. The king bush and queen cheney freak show won't be remembered so fondly. al qaeda is supposedly your boogieman. How many possible sleepers could al qaeda possibly have in america? hmmm how about it mdconservative? Do you think the mumber of potential sleepers in america is in the thousands, hundreds, tens or is the most dangerous al qaeda operative in america going to school at yale? You republicans have this goebbels like habit of telling these massive lies and then going to great lengths to spread it and back it up with more lies and " good job " commentary. Years after the start of the invasion of Iraq and cheney was still blustering about all this wmd in Iraq still. You have little value for the lives of your military when you use them this casually and callously. You have no shame when the illegalities of the office are unchecked. You disgrace the core principles of democracy by such blind support. ah whatever. trash redneck therapy concluded, naziesque orwellian roveianlly genocidal americana.

5:28 PM, April 02, 2006  
Anonymous I HATE CANADA said...

Thank GOD I'm an American, and not some prick who lives up in Canada EH?!

You know, Canada is like a loft apartment over a really great party.

"HEY! KEEP IT DOWN DOWN THERE EH!?

Fucking Canada. Pieces of jealous, socialist dicks.

7:53 PM, April 02, 2006  
Blogger MDConservative said...

2/3 terms again? This is getting a little embarrassing, anon.

10:54 PM, April 02, 2006  
Blogger MDConservative said...

Oh, and my emotion towards Canada is less hate and more of sorrow.

10:56 PM, April 02, 2006  
Anonymous i hate canada said...

oops, I meant to say you are all pieces of jealous, socialist shit.

sorry.

9:39 AM, April 03, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

I go away for the weekend and someone new appears. "i hate canada" is obviously a real intellectual who raises some very interesting issues. His enlightened language is just what is needed to lift the debate on this blog to a new level.

The Senate can censure a President - they did it in 1834 to Andrew Jackson. While there may be some disagreement over whether it can be done - the fact is that there is precedent for doing so.

The fourth paragraph of the referenced congressional record may be helpful.

http://www.geocities.com/~demcrat/newtrial.html

12:04 PM, April 03, 2006  
Blogger MDConservative said...

Ok, well let us also use some more "precedent." I call for a duel between VP Cheney and Feingold.

Look, have your silly censure vote. No one bothered to go to the hearing! I am guessing NO republicans would vote for it, how many Senators on the left do you really think would vote "yea."

12:34 PM, April 03, 2006  
Blogger Nil_illigitimo_carborundum said...

Western Civilisation is all over bar the shouting, I am afraid to say fellas. So I wouldn't waste your breath.

It's suggested that most civilisations collapse due to inaction and failure to recognise threats before it's to late.

Well if that's the case, it doesn't take a genius to work out that we're finished!

12:49 PM, April 03, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

I agree with NIC. Why MDConservative gets so angry I am not sure. We can disagree without anger.

MDCons, do I really have to point out the irrelevance of your duel comment? Duels are now illegal. The Constitutional precedent I refer to has not been overturned.

12:58 PM, April 03, 2006  
Blogger MDConservative said...

"I go away for the weekend and someone new appears. "i hate canada" is obviously a real intellectual who raises some very interesting issues. His enlightened language is just what is needed to lift the debate on this blog to a new level."

Yet you find:

"the defense of this puppet is seditious and traitorius to the constitution"

"The king bush and queen cheney freak show"

"You republicans have this goebbels like habit of telling these massive lies"

"trash redneck therapy concluded, naziesque orwellian roveianlly genocidal americana"

All fine things that raise the level? Funny your criticism goes on someone in support of the US, yet all the garbage from anon is ok?

Rob, I thought you were smarter, but I fear you have shown your true colors.

Just because someone curses, which in general is thought to show a lower intellect in your eyes, is a sham. Your silence seems to say that anon is smarter than "i hate" just because he uses bigger words? Come on! I am smart, have a great job I love, and tend to curse. I pick my moments, but don’t sit here and say that what he said isn’t of any value because he said “fucking” and “shit.” Welcome to the real world, there is a thing called profanity. I contend that the left uses it a hell of a lot more, Whoopi… Yet it is rare to hear much criticism on them!

On your blog I would contend calling The President of the United States of America “Bushie” is quite childish and disrespectful. I never called President Clinton names (granted for 8 years I would have been fired). It wasn’t do to that; as much as I did not like many of his decisions out of respect it was always “President Clinton” or “the President.” That continues to this day and the worst I step to is calling him “Clinton” rarely. But you can’t seem to hold back calling the sitting president names, so who are you to be lecturing about “lifting a debate”?

PS to anon: traitorius is “traitorous” No “i”. Cheney, Goebbels, and Orwellian should be capitalized.

12:59 PM, April 03, 2006  
Blogger MDConservative said...

"Well if that's the case, it doesn't take a genius to work out that we're finished!"

Ok, if you want to live in that world fine, be depressed and wear the cardboard on the corner to tell all "the end is near."

Everything MUST be falling apart since Russia is now complaining once again about us being a superpower. Things sure look bleak, give me a break!

1:09 PM, April 03, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

Ooohhh, my virgin eyes have been violated with the vulgarity on this blog. I am sooooo offended by cursing that I am going to lose sleep tonight. Please.

MDCons, curse all you like. Personally, I don't see much value in calling all Canadiens, "pieces of jealous, socialist shit," but if you want to defend that language as legitimate debate, fine with me. I comment when I want to comment. There is a saying my Dad told me, "If you argue with a fool, then there are two fools."

If you think "Anon" is a fool, stop encouraging him with your comments.

I don't agree or disagree with "Anon." There are some points he makes that I think are legitimate, and others that I completely disagree with him on.

I just posted a comment on a personal observation after being away for a couple of days. Nothing more, nothing less.

2:44 PM, April 03, 2006  
Anonymous liberals are communists in the making.... said...

You know, the Democratic Party is now being run by special interest groups and radical people like: George Soros, Harry Reid, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, and Hillary Clinton. Every year they find new ways to turn our CONSTITUITIONAL REPUBLIC into a socialist/communist society. The first obvious advances in socialism were implemented by FDR. Welfare and Social Security are unconstitutional programs. Our Founding Fathers did not support redistribution of wealth! If these Democrats are put into positions of power, we will be doomed to live in a socialist society. They always say "We speak for Americans" but do they really? I think not, they just talk a big game. The Democratic Party supports amnesty for illegals, but we all know that the vast majority of Americans REJECT amnesty.

Most of Americans believe in a country with less government control and programs, less taxes, free trade and capitolism. Democrats just want to raise your taxes so they can find new ways to spend your money. That isn't what the founding fathers had in mind. Socialism and communism were feared, and we are seeing a socialist collapse in France, and we've seen what communism can do, and how their citizens feel about it.

We were a Constitutional Republic, but it is now slowly turning into a socialist society, thanks liberals.

3:20 PM, April 03, 2006  
Anonymous liberals are communists in the making said...

Oh and they are constantly anti-military. They have proposed cuts to our men and women in uniform time and time again, but then yell at the President for not doing enough.

There track record DOES NOT justify their election year rhetoric.

3:22 PM, April 03, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

LCM - Bush supports amnesty and has increased government spending by more money than any president in history (dollars and percentage growth). Just look up discretionary spending figures at www.cbo.gov. He has also increased the national debt by a record amount - more than $2.6 trillion and counting - and has sold more U.S. debt to foreign investors than all other 42 presidents combined. This mammoth debt virtually ensures significant future tax increases.

3:26 PM, April 03, 2006  
Blogger Republican Aficionado said...

FDR actually spent more money than W Rob. It was just in today's USA Today.

7:22 PM, April 03, 2006  
Blogger Republican Aficionado said...

but damn good points LCM.

7:22 PM, April 03, 2006  
Blogger Nil_illigitimo_carborundum said...

MD that's the kind of complacency I'd expect from some dumb liberal.

The point is unless we act swiftly it will be too late for us.

Look at the West's failure to get to grips with mass immigration. Give or take a few more decades of demographic shift and we will be facing rising communal strife due to liberal policies of 'multi-culturalism'.

Or what about global warming. Instead of putting all our resources into finding ways of slowing climate change without curtailing economic growth, liberals push 'green' policies aimed at reducing our standards of living.

I am not saying the world will end, but rather the hegemony of western civilisation.

The world has witnessed the rise and fall of plenty of socities in the past. There is no reason why we won't go the same way.

Unfortunetly, I am of the opinion that the die has been cast.

7:30 PM, April 03, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

RA - I have no idea what USA Today showed. In real dollars, Bush is the biggest spender, period. In terms of inflation indexed dollars, I suppose it is possible that FDR spent more. However, are you telling me that Bush is second in spending to FDR? That only proves my point that Bush is a huge spender. Also remember, FDR was President for 12 years.

2:43 PM, April 04, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

Look at Table 3 of the White House OMB's historical spending figures.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2004/pdf/hist.pdf

The federal budget in the 1940s was under $100 billion every year (Averaged around $50 billion for the decade). The President has submitted a $2.8 trillion budget for next year.

Do you really want to argue that FDR spent more than Bush?

11:27 AM, April 05, 2006  
Blogger MDConservative said...

"MD that's the kind of complacency I'd expect from some dumb liberal."

Well thank you. I am neither dumb, nor liberal.

Thanks to my days I get little if any time to be complacent, so I am sorry to let you know your assumptions is wrong.

11:19 AM, April 06, 2006  
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