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Sunday, October 15, 2006

A DEMOCRAT HOUSE ? - THE SUNDAY COMMENTARY

The Mid Term elections are just three weeks away and try as they may the Demcorats have still not found an issue, scandal or anything else to tie their poltical fortunes on that is shaping the voting public as they wish. Fortunatly the days of the three networks liberal control of all media information through the, "big, " three and papers like the New York Times are a thing of the past and the usual left leaning reporting that shaped the political atmosphere is to a thing of the past. Todays voter is better informed from many different and diverse media sources and as such makes an intelligent choice concerning who to vote for based on the issues and knowledge of the issues. Additionally all of the political flak that developes during an election year amounts to nothing until the final two to three weeks prior to an election. The reason being that though better informed the average voter really does not pay much attention to politics until just before the elelction. We who are news junkies and visit the blogs as well as discuss politics with others on a regular basis view the actions from Washington through a micorscope because we are among the minority of Americans who are poltically active and involved in the day to day business of polititcs. Most Americans could care less and as such only start paying attention just before any election and are much less interested in a Mid Term election because it does not involve the election of a President. With that said the final push before the November 7th Mid Term election begins in earnest today as both parties will turn up the heat to court the majority of voters who are just now beginning to pay attention and decide how to vote. In that number there is a large percentage both Republican and Democrat who even though just beginning to look at the election will vote according to party affiliation and the next few weeks will not change their mind one way or another. The entire election cycle now boils down to those who are beginning to look and make up their mind at the last minute.

With this in mind first I want to share a very interesting poll result from a different source than is usually quoted when discussing polls. Let me preface this with the fact that polls can be manipulated through the questioning and as such I, even though politically active pay little attention to the polls and also have noticed that much of the polling in previous elections has missed the mark by a great deal. The only poll that truly counts is that which shows election day results after the real, "Polls," have closed. What made this particular poll interesting is that it did not invole the asking of questions which tend to manipulate polls in favor of one view or another. It also did not invole a sampling of voters which too can manipulate a poll since they are never balanced as to the numbers because when the sampling is studied it tends to have a larger percentage of Demcorats in the polling data. The poll also did not come from a polling entity but was a combination of data compiled by CSPAN to show how the House election is shaping up. In this compilation it showed that Republicans have 212 , "safe, " seats while Democrats have 199. Additionally it showed that there are only 15 seats that could go either direction. Now what makes this interesting is that in order to have a majority it requires 218 seats. Which indicates the Republicans need only 6 of the 15 to retain the majority while Democrats need 19 of the 15 to gain a majority. Now I am not a professional accountant but if this compilation is even close to correct the numbers just do not add up for the Democrats, which seems to completely disagree with the media spin that the country as a whole prefers Democrats over Republicans.

If the Demcorats were to win the House what do we face as far as leadership ? Providing that each of the House members that I am listing win re-election here a few examples of how the House will be shaped by Democrat control.


Speaker - Nancy Pelosi - as speaker this would also place her third in line for the Presidency which sends chills down my spine. She has a very radical left view and has indicated time and agains that she favors immediate pull out from Iraq regardless of the consequences, eliminating the tax cuts, socialized madical care, returning the pursuit of terrorists to the courts and one on one talks with North Korea.

Judiciary - John Conyers - Conyers has been attempting for quite some time to bring impeachment charges against the President. Based on no evidence and formed by his anger toward Bush only. As Chairman of the Judicary Commitee he has already indicated that he would seek impeachment which of course will accomplish nothing other than tying the hands of the White House up in answering demands for information and showing up for hearings to the point that over the final two years of the Bush administration more time wll be spent answering Conyers than doing the business of the country and especially the war effort.

Ways and Means - Charlie Rangel - though a very liberal, liberal Rangel is very honest in what he says and does not beat around the bush in what he will do. He has stated that he will repeal all of the Bush tax cuts and will raise taxes period. By the way he would also chair the Joint Commitee on Taxation.

Energy and Commerce - John Dingell - Dingell is also a liberals, liberal who firmly believes in regulation for regulations sake. Not only would he regulate big and small business but in doing so we would kiss this strong economy goodbye as regulation would stop business growth and thus stagnate the economy.

Intelligence - Jane Harman - she believes that terrorists are only criminals and as such should be handled by the court with indictments. Whether they are caught or not does not matter because they will shake in their boots when they learn of the federal indictment from The United States. She is also opposed to any type of interrigation of terrorists other than simple questioning.


Majority Leader - John Murtha - if you think this loud mouth who continually insults our military and those who serve is vocal now imagine how he would be as Majority Leader. His mug would be in front of every camera and before every mike and our troops would suffer the most with his false desimated military rhetoric.

This is a House which would spell disaster! Thankfully it is not a reality and I truly believe will not be a reality. Regardless of the rhetoric the people see through the political scemes and dirty polictics. When November 7th arrives and the American people vote they will ask themselves who will best protect this nation and provide for its security which is the number one issue among many issues and the answer is clear. Though their failures and shortcomings are many the Republicans will better portect this nation and will allow the economy to continue its record growth.

Ken Taylor

69 Comments:

Blogger Kate said...

Ummm... great post! However, ya might want to make use of your spell checker! :)

Oh, I did a copy and paste with a link back to it. :)

12:52 PM, October 15, 2006  
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1:26 PM, October 15, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

Ken, great post. I think the larger point is that we will just have to see what happens. My guess continues to be that the House will turn over but the Senate will remain in Republican hands.

I am a big fan of Larry Sabato's analysis. He is the Fox political contributor from the University of Virginia. He is conservative, but about as objective a person as I have seen. For anyone who is interested:
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/

One thing that I think we can clearly agree on - no matter who wins, the country will continue to remain almost equally divided.

10:35 PM, October 15, 2006  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

I hope you post the outlay of the House under Dem control right before the election so everyone can see that again.

If that doesnt scare the Pant's off the Republicans and make them get up off thier duff's and get to the polls, NOTHING WILL!!!

12:13 AM, October 16, 2006  
Anonymous mudkitty said...

The author states in his essay regarding the upcoming elections, "Most Americans could care less" until 3 weeks before the election, presumably when things really heat up. Not only do I think that that opinion is contemptuous of "most" Americans, I think the author is an eliteist.

But yeah, It's going to be fun to watch the heat turned up. As a liberal, I have more faith in "most Americans." I think they have been paying attention. When your children are dying in a far away land, you pay attention.

*****

If polls don't matter, as the GOP is always insisting, and as author suggests (who then goes on to site one) why does the GOP poll so insesently?

The reality of the polls, thus far, is that the numbers don't really look all that great for the democrats, as the rightwing/psudo/ mainstream media would have you believe, in order to scare the shit out of you republicans.

"Oh my God! A democratic congress would be a disaster!"

Look, the sky has already fallen. We've had too many disasters, literally and figurativly, and that includes the disaster that is the corrupt, perverse, corpulant, venal, unAmerican, and may I add indicted (with more to come) Leadership in and of the Republican Congress.

*****

Pelosi is not "radical left." I can't imagine how far right one has to be to think that. Speaking as a liberal (I'm told this is one of the few right wing sites that lets liberals post) the radical left does not consider Pelosi to be anything close to radical left. They see her as a corporate shill, and as a moderate, at best.

Pelosi does not favor imediate withdrawal from Iraq. She barely endorses the dem's various "stratigic redeployment" plans. Please let Pelosi speak for Plelosi, and do not mischaracterise her position.

Pelosi favors tax cuts targeted to the middle classs, not to the top 2%, which is Republican class warfare against the middle class. She is for balanceing the federal budget, and is against deficit spending (unlike republicans, if actions are to speak louder than words.)

What does "returning pursuit" of terrorists to the courts mean? Jeez Louise, courts don't pursue, they oversee and decide. Civics 101.

The author pretends that one on one talks with Korea are preclusive to multilateral talks (oh, and btw Bushies, how them multilateral talks coming along?)
It's just stupid to think that it's an either or situation.

As for the impeachment of the Bush? Get over yourselves. You think we want Cheney? We don't even want to go there. This is another deluded republican rightwing fantacy, ment to scare the very base they have so much contempt for.

But yes, if the dems take over, there will be investigations into lies and wrong doings. Imagine that! Congress doing it's job for a change. Bet some of you youngins don't even remember a time, but I do.

And another thing the author misrepresents, deliberatly and unfairly so; Dems don't believe in regulations for regulations sake. Dem's believe in regulations only where they can do some good.

Now don't make me have to explain what good is. Most people learn that in kindergarten.)

*****

The author has mischaracterised all the postitions of all the democrats he listed, but as for Murtha specifically, he certainly does NOT insult our military; he upholds our military to the highest standards because he reveres our military.

I think it's clear that the Bush Administration, and the Republicans, are terrible on National Security. When they're not lying to us, they're bungling things. I don't think anybody in their right mind feels safer under Republican Single Party Rule (in ALL branches of government.) I don't think anybody equates or conflates Wall Street (doing gangbusters, for a little while longer) and Main Street (not so much.)

That's why I wrote here before, the only way Republicans will hold onto power in this election cycle is by illegal means.

9:06 AM, October 16, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

Mudkitty, let me make one comment. While you and I are probably closer with our politics than Ken and me, I don't think that Ken is an elitist.

He has a different world view than me (us), but I have found him to be open to debate and reasonable with his comments. I don't know Ken except through this blog, but I have posted for quite some time on this blog and do respect him.

9:27 AM, October 16, 2006  
Anonymous mudkitty said...

Well, let me ask you Rob, what do you consider an elitist? What value judgement do you place on the term? And what does one call someone who espouses an eliteist viewpoint? I'm always wary of the phrase "most Americans." Makes me want to reach for my wallet.

On the subject of respect - everyone starts out with my respect. It's my disrespect you have to earn - a two way street, obviously. I say that as I'm clearly new here, and you know everybody better than I.

9:47 AM, October 16, 2006  
Anonymous mudkitty said...

Rob, are you implying I'm unreasonable in my comments? Or that I'm not open to debate? I ask this afectionetly.

10:05 AM, October 16, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

As near as I can tell, Ken is pretty much a regular guy with a different world view than me. He may make some mistakes from time to time (I am sure you have noticed his typos), but if you visit this site often you will disagree with him like I do, but you will also probably find him to be pretty reasonable.

Pretty much every week I make it a point to read his Sunday Commentary and I post a reply that points out where I think he is wrong. Ken doesn't come back with name calling or other rants - he just debates.

There are other blogs and others who visit this blog who are disrespectful - righties and lefties - but I have always found Ken to be reasonable.

10:05 AM, October 16, 2006  
Anonymous mudkitty said...

I don't find Mr. Taylor to be anything in particular, because I haven't actually corresponded with him, but I do find his point of view, as reflected in his essays, to be rather unreasonable, in that it lacks "reason." (More a-reasonable than unreasonable.) There's a difference between being reasonable, and respectfull.

Often times the "respectfull" people are the people who see evil and do nothing...out of respect.

11:04 AM, October 16, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

I think Ken is wrong on many things also, which is why I post here. You should do the same.

Political debate should be about bringing differing ideas to the table and discussing them. My experience with Ken and this blog is that he(it) provides a fair forum for discussion.

Beyond providing a fair forum, I am not sure what you want. Ken is entitled to his opinions, you are entitled to your own, me to my own, etc. We can debate and try to change other people's minds.

Your reference to people seeing evil and doing nothing is not really relevant. I agree that people who see evil and do nothing are a problem, but people may not see evil where you do. You have to work to make others see the evil that you see. Again, in a fair forum like this one you are free to make your case.

11:38 AM, October 16, 2006  
Blogger The Liberal Lie The Conservative Truth said...

Thank you Rob for your discussion on my behalf. Reasonable discussion makes for better politics and always has! I quess being called an elitist is not so bad compared to other things I have been called on this site. The difference being that I don't have the multi-million dollar income that most elitists have ! Ha

Now to your comment about the post. Agreed that the political divide will continue and that the mud slinging will not stop with this election but will actually increase because 08 will elect a President.

Mudkitty : a few things that I will respond concerning your comments. As far as elitists go I refer you to my response to Rob.

Each of the House members that I mentioned in the post if re-elected will hold the positions if Dems control the house. The issue positions mentioned are based on interviews and statements made by each for some time. In a recent speech Pelosi for instance stated that she favors a full, "redeployment, " as she put it, of troops from Iraq by December 2006. When her idea concerning repealing of tax cuts is fully looked at it covers all income earners from 50K on up which is the middle class. Additionally one on one talks with NK have failed before and gives Kim Jong Il what he wants which is another form of apeasment. While six party talks have not been that successful they do keep Kim Jong from claiming that he was betrayed by the US as he did in the 90's with the one on one talks.

Conyers has been attempting to to introduce articles of impeachment for nearly two years and has stated many times that he will follow through if the Dems have control.

Murtha has continualy misrepresented the condition and status of our military and has been called on his comments several times by active duty soldiers. One particular instance where Murtha was corrected on his statements took place at a town hall meeting in his own district.

Whether you believe it or not the majority of Americans pay very little attention to politics. We are in the minority. Unfortunatly a large majority of Americans because of concern for their own families and day to day living do not follow what takes place in Washington. Additionally disallusionment with politicians causes a mistrust which equates to a lack of involvment. If this were not so then voter turn out would be much larger than it is. Even the 04 election with the largest turn out in recent history had less than 50% of eligable voters 18+ showing up at the polls.

To everyone: my typing is not the best which causes typos that I do not catch at times. The spell checker that blogger uses sometimes causes the loss of the post so I have quit using it. Thanks for putting up with the SP's. Two fingers and a thumb typing has its draw backs and spelling is one of them.

12:37 PM, October 16, 2006  
Blogger The Liberal Lie The Conservative Truth said...

Almost forgot. Marie thank you for the suggestion. I will do that.

Kate please excuse the typos and thank you for the plug on your site.

12:43 PM, October 16, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

No problem Ken, I know you can defend yourself. I still think you are wrong most of the time, but we can disagree without being disagreeable.

1:20 PM, October 16, 2006  
Anonymous mudkitty said...

Thank you Rob. You're saying it's ok to express my point of view here. Thank you, thank you. I'd feel much better, though, hearing that from the site owners.

BTW - I'm much worse than Mr. Taylor when it comes to typos. That's not the criteria by which I judge someones writing.

*****

It takes more than money to be an elitist. It's really an attitude with a conotation that could go either way. Is an emphasis on education elietist?

*****

I repeat, Mr. Taylor, you are wrong about the positions the dems that you listed hold now, and you are wrong if you think the positions are going to change once they assume leadership, which is anything but assured. You are misrepresenting their positions. You have been corrected as to their positions. To repeat falsehoods, once they've been corrected, is to promulgate a deliberate lie. Anyone who wants to know their positions can start with their websites, as they can speak for themselves, and don't need you to reinterpret and distort, deliberately or otherwise.

Stratigic redeployment means pulling back to the Kurdish reagions and to outlying reagions (closer to the borders, for example, where we can also keep an eye on those pesky murderous talibans...military science 101.)

You're wrong about the 50K number, that is rightwing propaganda.

One-on-one talks worked with NK untill Bush came along and fucked it all up. And anyway, bi-lateral and multi-lateral talks are NOT mutually exclusive.

Conyers will have as much success with an impeachment resolution as Bush has had with virtually anything he touches, which is nothing.

As far as Murtha, again, what you say is so false as to be defamitory. He is one of the truest patriots to ever grace the military ranks, precisely because he doesn't want our guys and gals to be the cannon fodder for a Keystone Cop, Private Bush War. (That is not to say that Murtha, or Ken Taylor, or Mudkitty, or anybody has never made a mistake, or has been corrected on a point. BFD.)

Anyway, typos are hardly the problem.

2:19 PM, October 16, 2006  
Anonymous mudkitty said...

I would also like to add that Saddam Husaine is being dealt with by the "courts." Ooooh...those evil courts.

2:49 PM, October 16, 2006  
Blogger The Liberal Lie The Conservative Truth said...

My referance to, "the courts, " was concerning Pelosi wanting terrorism to return to a criminal matter ONLY dealt with by the courts. Law enforcement and the courts alone cannot deal with terrorism. It takes a combined effort of military, intelligence, law enforcement and anything else available to fight terrorism. The lessons of the first and second Trade Center prove that. Indictments were issued after 1993's bombing which resulted in nothing. 9/11 changed way terrorism is fought and it has proven successful. I realize that you will most likely say that it is a failed policy because of the mistakes that have been made but ALL wars have mistakes that cost lives. I refer you to the battle of Iwo Jima for instance when the Navy chose to only bombard the island for 72 hours instead of the 10 days requested by the Marines and then that dropped to only 1 day then Spruance and much of the Naval force left to hit the Japanese mainland, which combined with ither mistakes before and during the battle, intell etc. resulted in a victory which cost 25,000 Americans over a 30 day period. Mistakes happen in war and this current war is no different but it is succeeding in winning against terrorism and taking a toll on terrorists and the ability to attack!

As far as the,, "lie," accusation each of the statements that I refer to I heard with my own ears coming from the mouths of each of the individuals including Pelosi. Also the redeployment that she and other Democrats are refering to is not heading north to Kurdish territory but leaving Iraq and redploying to other areas out of the region. The closest redeploymeny area that the Democrats have mentioned is Turkey.

3:13 PM, October 16, 2006  
Blogger MDConservative said...

“Anyone who wants to know their positions can start with their websites, as they can speak for themselves, and don't need you to reinterpret and distort, deliberately or otherwise.”
- Oh but of course, I am sure that you follow the White House home page to get your views about the President. The last place you should go to find out about politicians are their websites, that material has been through the spin machine. I’d go off of interviews, off-the-cuff comments, and votes. I would say THAT is the way to learn about the popliticians.

“One-on-one talks worked with NK untill Bush came along and fucked it all up. And anyway, bi-lateral and multi-lateral talks are NOT mutually exclusive.”
- Even Senator Kerry (DEMOCRAT) admitted on Sunday that North Korea has been cheating on the arranged deals dating back in to the late 1990’s. Last time I checked President Bush was only Governor then. So please explain to me in your wonderful vocabulary how the Governor of Texas, at the time, “fucked things up” with North Korea. I didn’t know that State Governors played a large roles in foreign policy.

“I would also like to add that Saddam Husaine is being dealt with by the "courts." Ooooh...those evil courts.”
- Oh yeah the courts deal with Terrorism real well. Just today “A New York attorney convicted of aiding terrorism by helping a client smuggle messages to militant followers was sentenced on Monday to 28 months in prison.” Wow that sends a message.

5:35 PM, October 16, 2006  
Blogger Gayle said...

Hi Ken. I'm sure that you know I agree whole-heartedly with this post. It's the way I see things too. I hope the poll is correct; like you, I don't have much faith in them, and I also believe that most Americans wait until right before an election to begin paying attention to them.

You do have class, but you are not an "elitest." Unlike Mudkitty, I have never seen you use profanity on this blog, which is one of the things I respect about you. Most people have to earn my disrespect also, and by using profanity here, Mudkitty has earned it.

Blessings! :)

6:52 PM, October 16, 2006  
Anonymous mudkitty said...

Profanity? I'll tell you what's profane, the fact that we hit the 3,000 mark in terms of American
Dead in Iraq. Now that's profane. And for what? So that they can stand up when we stand down? Or vice versa? What hogwash! Or is hogwash considered profanity here, with a blessing and a happy face, all the while putting down someone who doesn't agree with you?

So you rightwingers like to cherry pick polls and cross your fingers, good for you.

MD (I'm assuming Maryland, not medical) Lynn Stewart is an idiot and got what she deserved. Most liberals agree - I know, cuz I am one. So don't even try to mischaracterise the liberal position.

To you "Blame Clintoners" here...which is most of you, may I suggest to you that Bush has been president for bloody 6 years!!!!! Oh, is "bloody" considered profanity around here?

As for how Bush "messed" things up, for those of you with delicate ears and eyes, it's the deficit and the war that he's going to leave for the Dems to clean up. Get it?

Kerry and Bush aside, I'd like to know why anyone would think, bias aside, that bi-lateral and multi-lateral talks are mutually exclusive? I mean, anyone who's worked for a multi-national corporation knows that that isn't true. So why is Bush lying about it?

*****

I get my best material from the White House website. But yeah, the off the cuff, "macacca" comments are priceless. Rock on YouTube, or GooTube, or whatever it's morphing into.

*****

Author - Pelosi NEVER said that she wanted terrorism to be dealt with only by the courts, or by law enforcement, etc. NEVER. Stop putting words in her mouth, the opperative word here being "only."

"9/11 has changed the way terrorism is fought and has proven successful." Do you mean that 9/11 was succesfull in changing how terrorism is fought, or do you mean 9/11 was a success in and of itself, and the terrorists have won? Or both? I'm not sure how to interpert your statment there. You might just want to clarify.

You might just want to clarify, because if 9/11 changed anything, much less everything, then the terrorists have indeed won. You're screwed either way. But what were you intending to say?

I think you're intending to say "mistakes happen in wars" shucks, geez whiz. EVERYBODY knows that. The difference here is, for example, WW2 was a noble fight. This Iraq Occupation is a private boondogle. I'm CONSERVATIVE when it comes to the use of the military. Rummy & Cheny have wrongly and liberally applied the military in ways that are both corrupt and incompetent.

And author - you did not 'quote those individuals, in or out of context. You mischaracterized their positions on issues.

BTW - soon the Baker report will be issued (it's already being leaked) and you can bet your bippy (is bippy profanity) that the Dauphin Bush will start using Democratic Party buzzwords like "tactical" and "strategic redeployment" very soon. He want's those security moms and soccer moms back.

Also, expect an elevated threat level. Yet I wonder if even Bush knows, what color are we? Are we yellow? Are we orange? I'd love to see a member of the WHPress ask him that, but as the press is corporate and rightwing, it won't happen.

11:17 AM, October 17, 2006  
Blogger The Liberal Lie The Conservative Truth said...

Clarification for Mudkitty: 9/11 changed the way terrorism was viewed. Before 9/11 terrorist acts against the US and much of the Western world were viewed as criminal acts and useless indictments that could never be served were issued. It is no longer a criminal act only but an act of war.

Are you trying to say that freeing an entire nation from the hands of a brutal dictator is NOT a noble act? So I quess you feel freeing Europe from Hitler was not noble ? As I know this is NOT how you feel about Hitler than why do feel freeing the Iraqi's from Hussein is not noble. I am certain that our soldiers do not think that for they believe in what they are doing and that it is a noble cause, just as those of WWII.

Additionally I am not misrepresenting these Democrats. Contrary to your continual argument I heard these position statements come from their lips, including Pelosi. She says one thing before the cameras but when speaking to ardent supporters she says another. In the same speech that she stated that she wanted a complete, "redeployment, " out of Iraq by Dec. 2006, she also stated that terrorism was an issue to be dealt with by the courts and not the military! We have just seen proof of how weak the courts are concerning terrorism when an American citizen was convicted of aiding terrorists and the judge gave this act of treason only 28 months. The courts are part of an overall strategy against terrorism but not the come all and end all as many Democrats believe. Remember it was John Kerry who said during the last election that he would like to see terrorism returned to just a nuisance. A nuisance that brought useless indictments and continued attacks with no results in finding and taking out the terrorists. The War against Islamic Terrorists is turning the tide against terrorism and Iraq is a vital battlefield of that war!

1:43 PM, October 17, 2006  
Blogger Vern1966 said...

Hey, Mudkitty! It's EddieD. Good to see you here, and in such fine spirits. (Rob, I let folks over at Crooks And Liars know that this site was a good 'un. You might get a few more liberals commenting...heh heh...)

Good thread, no need for me to add anything other than a basic agreement that the positions of these democrats have been somewhat distorted here. But the idea of more of the same level of crap we've been dealt by the current congress being a good thing? That's just plain nuts! How high on crack would anyone have to be o screw this country up as badly as they have? The democrats platform could consist of twidling their thumbs and it'd be better than what we've had recently. A "do nothing" congress? I wish! Look at what got passed -- CAFTA, an energy bill written by oil companies, ANWAR, prescription drug "reform", bankrupcy "reform", environmental "reform", etc. We've really gotten reamed over the last six years, and here's where I'm gonna piss Mudkitty off -- I'm sorry, but never overestimate the intelligence of the voting public. I've been disappointed far too often (2004, anyone?) to think that people tend to vote intelligently. Most of it, as Ken infers, is just knee-jerk reflex voting. By dummies. Remember, more than a third of the people in this country do not believe evolution should be taught in school. Kooooo-kooooooo....

Look, I'm a democrat. Always have been. But if the dems were to ever give this country the kind of workover the Repubs have recently, they should be voted out by everyone. Repubs should do the same now.

1:55 PM, October 17, 2006  
Blogger Vern1966 said...

Hey, Ken. About the idea that 9/11 changed the way terrorism was viewed... Yeah, by us. But for the rest of the world, who've been at the receiving end of most terrorist actions for the last kijillion years, it was just another heinous crime, albeit an extraordinarily lucky one (for the terrorists, not us). What changed for them? Did they have to rush to adopt a war stance that has done nothing but exascerbate the problem? And yes, worldwide terrorism has gotten worse, according to the US govt statistics. So yup, we changed the way we deal with it. Kinda this way: if the house was on fire, we used to set about putting the fire out. Sometimes we'd lose a bit of the house in the process. Now when the house is on fire, we flood the next town over.

2:25 PM, October 17, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

Vern - it will be nice to have company. I enjoy reading your comments.

Good point about the way we now look at terrorism, and the way the world does.

2:36 PM, October 17, 2006  
Blogger MDConservative said...

Every site I can find has the death toll at 2,771. Horrible yes. Profane no. How many died in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam? Do I have to get the numbers or are you willing to take my word for it that it was more than 2,771… even more than 3,000. Between April and May of 1944 about 12,000 lost their lives. No one likes death, but it is a fact that the death toll in this war is militarily speaking, small when you look at other wars and consider in a matter of hours we would have lost 3,000 people years ago.

"Got what she deserved", are you insane? Helping terrorists and she gets just over 2 years in jail, AND is out on bail pending her appeal. You must be kidding. You think terrorists deserve 2 years in jail for trying to kill people and destroy America? What is wrong with you?

Yes, want to do dueling off-the-cuff clips. How about Biden with his Indian “Dunkin Donuts” comment. Or Hillary Clinton with her Indian running the gas station comment. Oh yes, the precious lefties screw up too.

3:17 PM, October 17, 2006  
Blogger Gayle said...

mdconservative, you asked what was wrong with her. I will tell you: she's a liberal! That explains everything. No other explanation is necessary. Arguing with her is akin to beating your head against a stone wall.

6:26 PM, October 18, 2006  
Blogger Mike's America said...

Gosh Ken you are having some fun here...
Just to correct the spin on Pelosi. We only have to look at how she votes:

-Nancy Pelosi voted against every Republican tax cut. She voted for the largest tax increase in history.
-Nancy Pelosi voted 19 times against eliminating the death tax.
-Nancy Pelosi voted five times for raising gasoline taxes.
-Nancy Pelosi is so pro-high taxes she was one of only 27 members to vote against tax relief for poor neighborhoods in the inner city (presumably including her constituents in San Francisco).
-On July 31, 1996, Pelosi voted against the historic Welfare Reform Bill and later voted against its reauthorization;
-On July 19, 2006, Pelosi voted against protecting the right to say "one nation under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance;
-On Sept. 20, 2006, Pelosi voted against requiring that voters be identified so we could ensure only legal citizens are voting;
-On July 13, 2006, Pelosi voted against requiring English on ballots;
-On June 30, 2005, Pelosi refused to side with homeowners against the Kelo decision that allows cities to seize private property for profitable ventures, even though 365 members voted to stop cities from taking private property.
-Pelosi has voted at least 12 times against the death penalty;
-Pelosi was one of only 67 House members to vote against the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA);
-Pelosi has voted at least eight times against banning partial-birth abortion, at least three times against the Unborn Victims of Violence Act (Laci's law), and scored a perfect 100 percent rating from NARAL Pro-Choice America;
-Pelosi voted against a bill that would "[b]ar the transportation of a minor girl across state lines to obtain an abortion without the consent of a parent, guardian or judge;"
-Pelosi voted at least 31 times for using local or federal taxpayer dollars to fund abortions; and
-Pelosi received an "F" rating from the National Rifle Association.

7:32 PM, October 18, 2006  
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Who?

Mike, that will be the reaction for 90 percent of the electorate. They don't know who Pelosi is and don't care. The idea that people will vote on who may or may not become Speaker is silly.

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Mike wrote about trying to correct the spin on Nancy Pelosi - and that's exactly what he wrote, spin, not truth.

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