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HISTORICAL QUOTE OF THE WEEK - "Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any other." ABRAHAM LINCOLN

Sunday, September 24, 2006


Yesterday the world awoke to reports that Osama bin Laden was dead of Tyfoid Fever and that his demise was in August. As the day progressed the uncomfirmed report began to back down some with claims that he was either dead or extremely sick. Toward the evening and especially as night fell it was reported that the claim of bin Laden's demise was from a leaked document from French intelligence and the claim was denied by French President Jacques Chirac and that an investigation was underway as to how this report was leaked. As this breaking news transpired somtime after 9PM Eastern US time CNN, in whom I am not a great fan but do watch on occasion to get a liberal perspective of the news, was airing a bio-documentary about bin Laden beginning with his emergence in the 80's. The CNN reporter hosting this program was non other than Christiane Amanpour a reporter that has never impressed me because she obviously has a disdain for The United States as evidenced in her sympathetic reporting of anyone who opposes the US. As she described the exploits of bin Laden there was almost an awe in her voice and one would think that she was refering to a Head of State or a world dignitary rather than the evil leader of a equaly as eveil murderous terrorist organization. Of course this should not come as a surprise since CNN always treated the terrorist Yasar Arafat with awe and respect as a world leader. Additionally the ticker at the bottom of the screen never mentioned Chirac's denial only bin Laden's demise. CNN Headline news as late as 10PM Eastern US time was still reporting of the possible demise of bin Laden and not mentioning the Chrirac denial. Contrast this with Fox News who was airing regularly scheduled programing with no mention of bin Laden's demise on the ticker and the lead report at the top and bottom of the hour news brief was of the Chirac denial. I mention this reporting because it greatly follows the thinking of both the right and the left when bin Laden is concerned Fox of course representing the right and CNN representing the left. While the majority of the left is in union with the right in the desire of seeing the end of bin Laden and by no means do I believe that the liberal loyalist nor the leadership hold him in awe but rather desire his end, the perspective of the importance of his demise is significant. Most on the left from the grassroots to the leadership portray the idea that the demise of bin Laden would end the war and the terrorist threat bringing a desired peace with the Islamic Facsist world. Do not misunderstand me we on the right from the grassroots to the leadership would love to hear of the demise of bin Laden but we also understand that while his death is desired and would be a victory in the War on Terror it would not effect niether the war nor the plans and attempts to impliment those plans by Al Qaeda and especially other terrorist groups like Hezbollah and Hamas who have no ties or loyalty to bin Laden. This is a global war on terror in which Al Qaeda is a part. Additionaly Al Qaeda and most terrorist groups consist of cells and individuals who operate independently of leadership and would continue to carry out the finatical Islamic philosophy regardless of a living or dead bin Laden. Even large plans are implimented independently of leadership evidenced by the recently thwarted attempt to destroy several US bound airliners originating in London. Islamic finatic terrorist though they may follow the teaching of people like bin Laden carry out their Jihad as a service to Allah to recieve after life rewards and not to satisfy Osama bin Laden. While his death would be a moral boost for our soldiers and our country it would have no effect on the war and the enemy other than the loss of a man they admire.

The best historical example that closely resembles the finatisism in following a belief is Imperial Japan of WWII. The Boshito belief that the nation and especially the military followed had the finatical belief that one should sacrifice their life for the glory and by the command of Emporer Hirohito. Their finatisism was to the extent that even if the Emporer had died or had been captured or killed by allied forces their beleif in the Bishito creed and loyalty to the idea of the Emporer would have continued. Even after the dropping of the Atomic Bomb on Hiroshima and the Hydrogen Bomb on Nagasaki this finatical belief continued to the point that the military was preparing for every man, women and child to die in one last fight for the glory of Japan. Hirohito ordered the surrender and even this nearly failed as the military attempted a coup to, "protect," the Emporer from the," weakness," of politicians who did not believe as they did.

While the coup failed and Japan did surrender terrorism will not even if bin Laden were dead or were to order it. This finatical Islamic belief in rewards by Allah for their death drives them to kill all infidels and even any Muslim who disagrees with their finatisism. This is why though desired the death fo bin Laden and the use of a great amount of resources in the search for him would not accomplish the,"end, " that many on the left believe. While the hunt for bin Laden and seeking his demise is good keeping it in perspective in the global war on terror is not only a sound strategy but a better use of the necessary resources needed to fight this war. Using an exorbatant amount of men and material in the hunt for one man whose demise would only be a momentary victory and more a moral boost than a stategic necessity would be foolish. Osama bin Laden will meet his end if in no other way than wasting away in the dire conditions that our forces have pushed him into in order to hide from capture. This war is being fought on many fronts and in many ways all of which are seeking to deny and destroy terrorism as a whole and not just the death of one man as many on the left believe will bring about the desired result of victory against global terrorism.

Ken Taylor


Blogger MDConservative said...

Great argument and here is how many of us look at it. Imagine terrorism as, itself a giant bomb, and for the sake of argument Osama was the one that designed it. It is like the bomb squad going in, regardless of whether they are required to kill Osama in the process or not, he is not going to call his “soldiers” off from attacking (the bomb). He is shot dead in a standoff, the bomb squad (intelligence community & military) is still required to dismantle the bomb he has left behind.

Be he alive or dead, the bomb continues its count-down. In other words the terrorists are still out there and require attention. Killing Osama will be a terrific vengeance that the president and America seek. That vengeance will not, as you clearly point out, stop the terrorists still running around.

I think your position is correct, kill/capture him. But his moment has passed. After 9/11 he is forced to run and hide in fear, cannot roam about creating plans and networks like he once did.

7:10 PM, September 24, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

You completely misunderstand and/or misrepresent the position of "the Left" regarding bin Laden. I know of no one - on the Left or Right - who thinks that killing bin Laden will end terrorism.

Osama bin Laden could just as easily be sitting in an apartment in Detroit as he could be in a cave in Pakistan/Afghanistan. We just don't know. What we do know is that he and Zawahiri continue to send messages to their followers (some very professional videos) which would point to fairly unrestricted movement.

The larger point is that because we have allowed bin Laden to remain free for 5 years after 9/11 and his stature among jihadists has only grown. That, along with our ridiculously bad decision to invade Iraq without any real understanding of the Sunni-Shia conflict or plan for what to do after Saddam was removed, has allowed bin Laden's movement to grow.

It is incompetence that has allowed the global jihadist position to grow. That said, it is the responsibility of this President to bring bin Laden to justice for killing nearly 3000 Americans on 9/11. He hasn't done it, and every day that passes only makes his failure larger.

10:07 PM, September 24, 2006  
Blogger The Liberal Lie The Conservative Truth said...

Rob, as in any war the only way that eliminating the head will have any advantage is if that head is decapitated before hostilities began. If bin Laden had been killed or captured in the 90's then 9/11 may not have happened and the Al Qaeda threat diminished. His influence since 9/11 has really had no impact except to send the west and the press running to verify if it is actually him and as a political tool for much of the left. The fact that Al Qaeda was able to pull off 9/11 gave those who share similar beliefs as bin Laden the zeal and encouragement to get the, "Great Satan, " because they saw it could be done. The Jihadists attitude grew in leaps and bounds with 9/11 and they have been trying to repeat it since but through great intelligence, the capture of much of the leadership and the information received from their interrogation, phones, computers, etc. has given the means to stop attacks since then. This combined with the military action that has greatly reduced their capability because of the several thousand that have been killed throughout the world, yes even including Iraq, is why bin Laden though desired by all to see his end, is weak and just a figurehead. This Jihad no longer depends on his influence and has not since 9/11. It has a life of its own and the actions of our military and those in law enforcement and intelligence are bleeding the life out of the Jihad.

MD, great analogy concerning the bomb. Dead or alive makes no difference those who have the finatical belief will continue with or without bin Laden. As I mentioned to Rob, the actions that are currently undertaken through military intervention everywhere including Iraq, Law enforcement and intelligence gathering including the interrogation of detainees is bleeding the life out of the Jihad that resulted from 9/11

9:55 AM, September 25, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

The latest NIE totally contradicts what you are saying. The jihadist movement is growing rapidly - not shrinking. Our misguided Iraq policy is a central reason why.

Let's agree on this point - capturing bin Laden now won't make much of an operational dent in the terrorist movement.

Where I think we disagree is in our assessment of U.S. strategy to combat terrorism. We can disagree but the NIE points to the fact that the threat is increasing. It also calls into question the policy decisions and strategies chosen by the President.

10:29 AM, September 25, 2006  
Blogger Vern1966 said...

Good points, Ken, although I seriously wish you'd use a spellcheck or something. I mean, I know you've got to pump these things out, but it would make reading lengthy passages so much easier if there were even a semblance of grammatical effort. But I don't mean to split hairs.

Anyway, so what WOULD happen if we 86'ed him? Well, he would achieve martyr status, which could be bad in that the growing radical Islamic element would be foaming at the mouth (they're not already?) But it would certainly be a big boost to American morale, and give even liberals the sense that justice had finally been served. Undoubtedly, someone or ones would fill the leadership void, but they would assume the role with a more well-founded risk of their own demise.

This administration will not do anything with him because they love to use him as their Orwellian boogieman to keep the voter terrified.

Obviously, the best thing would be to capture him and show him and the world that justice can be fairly applied to even the worst among us. That would go a long way toward repairing our image in the world.

5:28 PM, September 25, 2006  
Blogger Denny said...

Well said. This war against Islamofascist Jihadist will only be won in the long run by propaganda. The Jim Jones Jihadists are drinking a steady diet of poisonous kool-aid by the anti-freedom regimes in the Middle East, as well as the brain-washing mosques in the West . As long as these asseverators of lies keep pumping out the tainted kool-aid, there will be those who willingly feast on it's toxic venom.

3:04 AM, October 01, 2006  
Blogger Vern1966 said...

The long and short of it, despite whatever ramifications may come, is that he is the main conspirator of a heinous crime, and needs to be brought to justice. We should never lose sight of that simple fact.

1:39 PM, October 02, 2006  
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