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Tuesday, June 13, 2006

ROVE; NO INDICTMENT. SO WHERE IS CULTURE OF CORRUPTION ?

As I fully expected the special prosecutor has announced that Presidential Advisor Karl Rove will not be indicted concerning the Valerie Plame case and for obvious reasons. There is no case thus there is no evidence! From the very beginning this has been a case that has existed only in the media and the liberal political hacks who were seeking scandal in the Bush administration and especially against Karl Rove because he has been so successful in defeating Democrats. The indictment of Scooter Libby had nothing to do with Valerie Plame and was only an invented charge consisting of perceived inconsistencies in Libby's testimony, for which I believe he will be full acquitted. Now that this is over where then does the, "culture of corruption, " that the left has continually charged actually exist? This will of course anger the libs and those who have been observing from the Democratic Underground, but the , "culture of corruption, " very plainly exists within the Democratic Party! The only politician that is currently under investigation that has merits and actual proof of illegal activities, (there has thus far been no proof found for those investigated with the Abromoff situation), is Louisiana Democrat William Jefferson, who is being investigated and has been caught on video for accepting bribes. To their credit the House Democrats have been asking for Jefferson to step down from his seat on the House Ways and Means Committee for which he has refused. Compare this with former House majority leader Tom DeLay who not only stepped down from his leadership position but gave up his House seat because of the fraudulent indictment that he is facing. Scooter Libby also voluntarily stepped down as the Vice President's Chief of Staff and both Delay and Libby's indictments are very much in question and have all the indications of being politically motivated rather that having actual legal basis. William Jefferson on the other hand has a great deal of actual evidence that is consistent with the accusations of corruption against him yet he refuses to step down. So to the members of the Democratic Party who have been so quick to point the finger of corruption against Republicans, take a look in your own back yard before you continue to place allegations against the GOP. Additionally the false charges that have been leveled at the President which have no basis in truth are also beginning to be proven otherwise as Iraq is in the midst of turning around and the documents from the Hussein regime are showing the Taliban and Al Qaeda connection prior to the war and also revealing locations and disbursement outside of Iraq of the WMD. The confidence by the left that 2006 is the year of the Democrat seems to be more a pipe dream than a reality. I realize that November is still several months away and quite a lot can take place during that time, but all the eggs in the Democrat basket of accusation that they believed would sweep them into the majority are turning into rotten eggs !

Ken Taylor

25 Comments:

Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Their Toast!

12:59 AM, June 14, 2006  
Blogger The Liberal Lie The Conservative Truth said...

And burnt toast at that!

Ken

9:59 AM, June 14, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

Yes, we can all rest easier knowing that Karl Rove isn't criminally responsible for the outing of a NOC CIA agent. He did not know that he was outing a NOC agent when he discussed Valerie Plame with Bob Novak. It was just an accident that led to the outing of Plame and everyone who ever worked at Brewster Jennings (the CIA front company Plame worked for).

Rove won't be indicted but that does not take back the damage that was done to U.S. national security. Why you are celebrating is beyond me.

1:03 PM, June 14, 2006  
Blogger The Liberal Lie The Conservative Truth said...

Look at the full record Rob. Plame was not an active agent and had not been for several years. She had first been compromised by a Russian contact in Moscow at least three years before this supposed, "outing, " and her identity was revealed in Joe Wilson's book and at social funtions at least one year before all this started. The investigation could not find one bit of evidence to prove that Plame was, "outed." Do you really think that this type of security risk would be allowed by any President regardless of party? The only reason this became any type of story is because it involved Joe Wilson and his loud mouth attacks against the Bush administration which gave the left a nail that they thought they could hang their hats on to remove Bush from office. How can there be, "damage, " to security when no security issues were compromised. At the time it is widely known that she was not covert and just an anylist working on WMD at Langley. Everyone knows this and that is why this investigation went nowhere.

Ken

1:58 PM, June 14, 2006  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Dont forget Joe Wilson was telling everyone in site his wife worked for the CIA.

He even told General Paul Vallely in the Green room of Fox News that his wife worked for the CIA, and Vallely was stunned!

2:39 PM, June 14, 2006  
Blogger The Liberal Lie The Conservative Truth said...

Thanks Marie, I forgot about General Vallely. Just more ammunition of truth!

Ken

3:55 PM, June 14, 2006  
Blogger Vern1966 said...

Where is the culture of corruption? Well, if you're that blind, here's a short list:
-- Tom Delay: yeah, he's innocent. That's why he resigned. And an admirable stand on the whole Marianas Island thing, to boot.
-- Bush lying about knowledge of leak or those involved.
-- Abramoff. 'Nuff said.
-- K street. see above
-- Rampant cronyism with little regard for actual competence. New Orleans residents will vouch for that one.
-- unethical and exclusionary congressional voting practices.
-- legislation written by industry "experts" (industry insiders), lobbyists, and CEO's.
-- unparalleled proliferation of unverifiable voting on machines manufactured by large republican contributors
-- Bush opposing the creation of the 9/11 commission (morally corrupt)

I could go on, and on, and on, and on. But the point is that there is no reasonable defense for ANY party to behave as the Republicans have.

5:11 PM, June 14, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

You simply do not know the facts. Read Fitzgerald's Libby indictment - specifically the 5th paragraph. It explains the status of Plame.

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/documents/libby_pr_28102005.pdf

The facts are the facts. If you want to be fooled by Republican talking points that is up to you.

For a President who claims to hate leaks and who passes himself off as big on national security it is hard for me to understand how he squares the actions of Rove with his stated beliefs. Accidental treason may not be criminal, but it is still treason.

5:31 PM, June 14, 2006  
Blogger Vern1966 said...

The larger point, Rob, is that each one of these administration pukes had lied about their involvement until they could duck the issue no longer.

6:45 PM, June 14, 2006  
Blogger The Liberal Lie The Conservative Truth said...

Why is it that whenever we state facts it is talking points and whenever a Democrat states anything it is the only , "truth." Your argument can be viewed as talking points Vern and Rob as much as anyone else. When it comes to most issues either side can state facts that back their case. The fact that Plame was NOT a covert agent at the time of the "supposed, " leak is undeniable. This was no more a national security problem than you or I revealing to the public something about our personal life. Even in his press conferences Fitzgerald did not state that Plame was covert just that she worked for the CIA as an agent at one time. Her status was revealed by many long before this incident and it is well known by those that will admit the truth.

Ken

7:50 PM, June 14, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

Ken, give me some citation to back up your "facts." Here are just a couple:

http://www.nationalreview.com/may/may200507150827.asp

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/28/60minutes/main994753_page2.shtml

Read the transcript of Fitzgerald's October 28, 2005 press conference - look at the 6th paragraph:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/28/AR2005102801340.html

"Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer. In July 2003, the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified. Not only was it classified, but it was not widely known outside the intelligence community. Valerie Wilson's friends, neighbors, college classmates had no idea she had another life. The fact that she was a CIA officer was not well-known, for her protection or for the benefit of all us. It's important that a CIA officer's identity be protected, that it be protected not just for the officer, but for the nation's security. Valerie Wilson's cover was blown in July 2003.

Plame was a NOC agent - the highest level of cover. If she was caught in a foreign land she would be disavowed by the government. She risked her life for this country and her outing severely damaged U.S. national security because it exposed Brewster Jennings - an established CIA front company.

Unless you think Fitzgerald is lying, it is pretty clear that she was an undercover agent. Believe what you want, but the truth is the truth.

7:26 AM, June 15, 2006  
Blogger The Liberal Lie The Conservative Truth said...

Fact - according to Mark Levin who wrote the law in 1982 concerning the revelation of a, "covert, " CIA agent. Valerie Plame was not stationed overseas for more than 5 years prior to the Novak article therefore revealing her name was legal.

Fact - Her ties to Brewster Jennings were revealed by a $1,000 donation to the Al Gore campaign under her married name Valerie Wilson which is a public record. The only reason that this firm was compromised was because of media coverage claiming that she was covert which caused her name to be run through data banks overseas.

Fact - Joe Wilson in his book made several references concerning who she was and that they lived in Washington after their 1998 marriage which again proves she was no longer covert and her name was no longer protected.

Fact - Fitzgerald in his press conference would not confirm or deny her status.

Fact - Plame was brought back from overseas because her status was compromised twice before her marriage and the CIA case. Once by Aldredge Aims and second by a Russian connection in the late 90's and from documents that were compromised by Cuba.

Any damage caused by her status being revealed was NOT because of the, "leak case, " but becuase of incidents long before and press coverage after.

Ken

2:46 PM, June 15, 2006  
Blogger Vern1966 said...

"The fact that Plame was NOT a covert agent at the time of the 'supposed', leak is undeniable."

The report specifically says there was a leak of "then-classified" information. It was classified information. Then.

4:45 PM, June 15, 2006  
Blogger Vern1966 said...

Guys, pick this crap apart all you want, but the fact remains that, when you see the President stand up in front of the world and deny any knowledge of it, and then, when he can duck the issue no longer, come out and say he knew all along, something just plain stinks. That is why the American people are beginning to see (better late than never) who their President really is. Now, if you can drag one President over the coals DURING A TIME OF WAR for a blow-job, certainly you can do it for national security. Or maybe you can't?

4:55 PM, June 15, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

Gee Ken, I guess Fitzgerald has been lying and has not done a sloppy job of investigating.

Of course, you still have not provided any sources for your info.

7:41 PM, June 15, 2006  
Blogger MDConservative said...

I guess Fitzgerald stating he was not charging anyone with disclosing Plame’s identity doesn’t count for anything?

12:16 AM, June 16, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

No it does count for something - it proves that there is no evidence that anyone in the White House knowingly committed treason.

However, that does not mean the president should not hold people responsible. Bush accepts that the leaks were justified by not holding Rove accountable. Essentially Rove's defense is that he did not know he was committing treason when his actions led to the outing of a NOC agent. It was just collateral damage that occurred as a result of his political attack to try to discredit Wilson. Since there is no evidence that he was aware of Plame's status, it was just accidental treason - which is not a crime.

If we actually look at Ken's "Facts" they are largely irrelevant because they don't defend the White House's actions in any way:

1. Not being stationed overseas does not remove NOC status.

2. Novak revealed Plame as a CIA official and then Novak's October 4, 2003 column revealed Brewster Jennings. The "media coverage" Ken referred to was Novak who happened to be the guy Rove leaked the info to.

3. The damage was done by the time Wilson's book came out. So what is the difference at that point?

4. Fitzgerald expicitly said Plame's cover was blown in July 2003. Read the transcript of his press conference.

5. A reference to her status being compromised twice would help - I cannot comment as to whether she was compromised. However on a broader level, hundreds of NOC agents were compromised by Ames and it is largely irrelevant. As Fitzgerald said "It's important that a CIA officer's identity be protected, that it be protected not just for the officer, but for the nation's security. Valerie Wilson's cover was blown in July 2003." The point is that she was still officially undercover at the time Novak outed her.

We can continue to go back and forth. I'll let you continue to defend accidental treason.

3:58 AM, June 16, 2006  
Blogger MDConservative said...

Ok Rob, we are obviously never going to agree on this. But I have a question.

If it were you, and you were trying to say how classified your existence was would you be doing photo shoots for international magazines? (I know..I know, she is a “master of disguise.”) But still don’t you think you might hold back, most importantly for your kids safety?

11:51 AM, June 16, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

It wouldn't matter after the White House outed me. Anyone of importance who would care (foreign companies, agencies, and individuals that I dealt with) would already have known I was a U.S. spy and the company I worked for was a CIA front, so what would it matter.

I could thank Cheney, Libby, Rove, and Novak for putting everyone who ever worked for Brewster Jennings at risk. I could also thank Bush for turning his back on my dedicated service and allowing the further smearing of me and my family.

5:22 PM, June 16, 2006  
Blogger MDConservative said...

So you are going with “hiding in plain sight” on the cover of magazines? Even if I actually agreed with you, it doesn’t help to put more and more info out there!

2:57 PM, June 17, 2006  
Blogger Rob said...

Like I said, at that point it doesn't matter the damage has been done. There was no new information out there - it was out. It is also obvious that the President and the highest levels of government don't care, so why should I care.

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