REPUBLICAN SPLIT EQUALS CLINTON VICTORY - THE SUNDAY COMMENTARY
DATELINE November 6, 2008 - Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton has won election as the 44 President of the United States. With 100% of the polls reporting across the country President elect Clinton has won with 52% of the vote and an Electoral majority.
This is quite possibly one of the most disturbing headlines that could ever lead the news in the history of this nation. Yet it is a headline that has a distinct possibility of becoming a stark and dangerous reality because of a move that is gaining some momentum within the ranks of the Republican Party being led by someone that has a strong influence and in whom I personally have a great deal of respect.
Dr. James Dobson a well respected Evangelical Christian leader whose books and Focus on the Family radio program are widely known and respected and have been a source of inspiration for me personally has indicated that if Giuliani, Thompson or McCain were to win the Republican nomination for the 2008 Presidential election, not only could he not support any of the three, but would seek a third party candidate in which he can support. Dobson has not made a decision concerning Mitt Romney yet.
His objection concerning Giuliani centers around Rudy's personal position of pro-choice. The Thompson objection concerns Thompson's view that Gay marriage, while personally in opposition to it, is not something that should be decided by a Constitutional amendment but at the State level. I have not heard his McCain objection.
While it is his right as a voter and a leader to oppose any candidate his move suggesting that he will begin a third party if any of the aforementioned top tier candidates gain the GOP nomination virtually will insure that Hillary Clinton, who will likely get the Democrat nod, will be the next President of The United States.
Another indication that this suggestion by Dobson not only helps Hillary but will destroy the GOP chances of winning in 08 comes from Bill Clinton himself. Shortly after Dobson made this announcement at a conference that was held last week, Bill Clinton hit the interview circuit endorsing former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee as a conservative alternative for a third party candidate. Clinton stated that Huckabee would be ideal to satisfy Evangelical conservatives and would make the perfect third party candidate for that purpose.
While Huckabee is a good man and his conservative credentials are excellent he has a minimal chance of winning the GOP nomination. Clinton knows this and of course has absolutely no interest in supporting any conservative candidate. He jumped on this to use it as an opportunity to emphasis the suggestion by Dobson and to help in his political partners, ( they have not been a real husband and wife for years, if ever), run for the White House knowing that a third party virtually insures her election.
While I can understand Dobson's objections to Giuliani because of his pro-choice stance, ( I too am anti-abortion), as well as Dobson's support of a Constitutional amendment concerning Gay marriage we cannot be one issue voters. Additionally a third party is not the answer especially in today's political climate. For example, I support Fred Thompson. Thompson though conservative and more so than any of the top tier candidates, is still a little left of my personal conservative views. Yet I am also a realist and understand that while several of the lower tier candidates may be more conservative their chances of winning are very slim at best. and Thompson does have the name recognition and conservative credentials to win in 08.
There has only been one Presidential candidate in my lifetime that has been what I would consider the ideal conservative and that is Ronald Reagan. Unfortunately when God made Reagan he broke the mold and there will never be another like him. As a realist I also understand that I cannot be a one issue voter and that splitting the GOP over single issues will elect the Democrat nominee.
In the 1992 election we saw the results of a strong third party candidate with Ross Perot. Bill Clinton won that election with only 43% of the vote. Had there not been a Ross Perot, Bill Clinton would have only been a footnote in history as the man who lost the 1992 election. When adding 14%, ( which is the number of estimated GOP voters who voted for Perot), of Perot's 18 % of the 92 vote to the Bush totals and the remainder to Clinton, Bush wins with a vote total of over 50% to Clinton's 47% a number that would also equate to an Electoral victory.
An example that shows the direct result to the Republican Party is found in the election of 1912. Teddy Roosevelt had a political falling out with his anointed successor and current President at the time William Howard Taft. When Roosevelt failed to win the GOP nomination he began a third party known as the Bull Moose Party. Republican Taft ended the 1912 election in third place behind Roosevelt's second and Democrat Woodrow Wilson was elected.
As good a conservative as Mike Huckabee is or any other GOP candidate who may consider a third party candidacy, none have the popularity of Teddy Roosevelt and history shows the result of his third party run. A third party conservative candidate will spell disaster for the GOP and insure the election of the Democrat nominee which most likely will be Hillary Clinton.
Although Republicans may not find the ideal candidate in those who are running, we also must realize that there are many issues that require our attention and our vote consideration. Terrorism and national defense, border security, illegal aliens, taxes, the economy, Democrat moves to socialize medicine, and of course the moral issues of abortion and gay marriage issue. There is also the issue of character and Hillary has proven that she like her political partner Bill have no concept of the truth. All of these are important issues and cannot stand by themselves when considering who we support as a candidate.
A third party conservative, though desirable for some will only insure another Clinton election and the beginning of socialism in America. The end of American strength both militarily and economically as taxes are raised through the roof to support Hillary's government programs and her complete and utter decimation of U.S. forces because of her disdain of the military.
We cannot allow a headline like that mentioned at the beginning of this post to occur by splitting the party and being one issue voters. Though a Thompson supporter, I will support whomever the GOP nominee to prevent the election of any Democrat especially Hillary Clinton.
Ken Taylor
This is quite possibly one of the most disturbing headlines that could ever lead the news in the history of this nation. Yet it is a headline that has a distinct possibility of becoming a stark and dangerous reality because of a move that is gaining some momentum within the ranks of the Republican Party being led by someone that has a strong influence and in whom I personally have a great deal of respect.
Dr. James Dobson a well respected Evangelical Christian leader whose books and Focus on the Family radio program are widely known and respected and have been a source of inspiration for me personally has indicated that if Giuliani, Thompson or McCain were to win the Republican nomination for the 2008 Presidential election, not only could he not support any of the three, but would seek a third party candidate in which he can support. Dobson has not made a decision concerning Mitt Romney yet.
His objection concerning Giuliani centers around Rudy's personal position of pro-choice. The Thompson objection concerns Thompson's view that Gay marriage, while personally in opposition to it, is not something that should be decided by a Constitutional amendment but at the State level. I have not heard his McCain objection.
While it is his right as a voter and a leader to oppose any candidate his move suggesting that he will begin a third party if any of the aforementioned top tier candidates gain the GOP nomination virtually will insure that Hillary Clinton, who will likely get the Democrat nod, will be the next President of The United States.
Another indication that this suggestion by Dobson not only helps Hillary but will destroy the GOP chances of winning in 08 comes from Bill Clinton himself. Shortly after Dobson made this announcement at a conference that was held last week, Bill Clinton hit the interview circuit endorsing former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee as a conservative alternative for a third party candidate. Clinton stated that Huckabee would be ideal to satisfy Evangelical conservatives and would make the perfect third party candidate for that purpose.
While Huckabee is a good man and his conservative credentials are excellent he has a minimal chance of winning the GOP nomination. Clinton knows this and of course has absolutely no interest in supporting any conservative candidate. He jumped on this to use it as an opportunity to emphasis the suggestion by Dobson and to help in his political partners, ( they have not been a real husband and wife for years, if ever), run for the White House knowing that a third party virtually insures her election.
While I can understand Dobson's objections to Giuliani because of his pro-choice stance, ( I too am anti-abortion), as well as Dobson's support of a Constitutional amendment concerning Gay marriage we cannot be one issue voters. Additionally a third party is not the answer especially in today's political climate. For example, I support Fred Thompson. Thompson though conservative and more so than any of the top tier candidates, is still a little left of my personal conservative views. Yet I am also a realist and understand that while several of the lower tier candidates may be more conservative their chances of winning are very slim at best. and Thompson does have the name recognition and conservative credentials to win in 08.
There has only been one Presidential candidate in my lifetime that has been what I would consider the ideal conservative and that is Ronald Reagan. Unfortunately when God made Reagan he broke the mold and there will never be another like him. As a realist I also understand that I cannot be a one issue voter and that splitting the GOP over single issues will elect the Democrat nominee.
In the 1992 election we saw the results of a strong third party candidate with Ross Perot. Bill Clinton won that election with only 43% of the vote. Had there not been a Ross Perot, Bill Clinton would have only been a footnote in history as the man who lost the 1992 election. When adding 14%, ( which is the number of estimated GOP voters who voted for Perot), of Perot's 18 % of the 92 vote to the Bush totals and the remainder to Clinton, Bush wins with a vote total of over 50% to Clinton's 47% a number that would also equate to an Electoral victory.
An example that shows the direct result to the Republican Party is found in the election of 1912. Teddy Roosevelt had a political falling out with his anointed successor and current President at the time William Howard Taft. When Roosevelt failed to win the GOP nomination he began a third party known as the Bull Moose Party. Republican Taft ended the 1912 election in third place behind Roosevelt's second and Democrat Woodrow Wilson was elected.
As good a conservative as Mike Huckabee is or any other GOP candidate who may consider a third party candidacy, none have the popularity of Teddy Roosevelt and history shows the result of his third party run. A third party conservative candidate will spell disaster for the GOP and insure the election of the Democrat nominee which most likely will be Hillary Clinton.
Although Republicans may not find the ideal candidate in those who are running, we also must realize that there are many issues that require our attention and our vote consideration. Terrorism and national defense, border security, illegal aliens, taxes, the economy, Democrat moves to socialize medicine, and of course the moral issues of abortion and gay marriage issue. There is also the issue of character and Hillary has proven that she like her political partner Bill have no concept of the truth. All of these are important issues and cannot stand by themselves when considering who we support as a candidate.
A third party conservative, though desirable for some will only insure another Clinton election and the beginning of socialism in America. The end of American strength both militarily and economically as taxes are raised through the roof to support Hillary's government programs and her complete and utter decimation of U.S. forces because of her disdain of the military.
We cannot allow a headline like that mentioned at the beginning of this post to occur by splitting the party and being one issue voters. Though a Thompson supporter, I will support whomever the GOP nominee to prevent the election of any Democrat especially Hillary Clinton.
Ken Taylor
posted by The Liberal Lie The Conservative Truth | 10:33 AM
10 Comments:
Ken: if you recall, Reagan wasn't the perfect candidate either. In 1980 there was the thought among likely GOP primary voters that he was too old, or that he had been divorced, or spent too much time in Hollywood. In the election in 1980 I remember very clearly that people decided Reagan was the lesser of two evils compared to Jimmy Carter.
Of course he turned out to be the best President in my lifetime.
Now, the topic at hand: People keep talking about "respected" for James Dobson. You used the word twice in the same sentence.
I would lose ALL respect for him if he does this awful thing.
And I would make one correction to your headline. If a third party candidate ran, Hillary could become President with LESS than a majority of American voters. That's how Bill got in....TWICE!
All my political life I have worked for candidates who were very strong pro-lifers. I come from a family where my father traveled around the state of Ohio, as an OB/GYN speaking out against abortion. I'm not going to tolerate being called a RINO or soft on the issue by anyone.
I will however tar and feather and beat rehetorically with unmerciless zeal any pinhead phony conservative who comes around saying that it would be better for Hillary to win so that the GOP is taught a lesson.
P.S. One thing this fracas does prove: The GOP is NOT a party held hostage by the extreme Christian right wing fanatics the Democrats claim we are.
Great Post Ken,
DATELINE November 6, 2008 - Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton has won election as the 44 President of the United States. With 100% of the polls reporting across the country President elect Clinton has won with 52% of the vote and an Electoral majority.
OUCH!!!!
I gotta agree with Mike, and will add I dont think Dobson carries the weight he used to. Times have changed.
The only 3rd party candidate I am worried about till he get's his butt on down the highway is Ron Paul.
He and his supporters could throw this election into turmoil!
What a great post Ken and 100% true. I think the Republicans have an excellent chance of becoming president if they ban together against Hillary. And that would be what it comes down to. If we split up, without a shadow of a doubt Hillary will win. We hold the cards and I would hate to blow it by splitting up our forces.
I think Dobson isn't being realistic. There is no "perfect president." We can only stand behind the one that hold many of our beliefs and ideals.
I think the unfortunate problem with voters is this “one issue” litmus test. Now there are some things that I think should take you out of the running but things need to be prioritized. The abortion issue, I would like abortion to be done away with except in the instance of rape or incest.
However that issue is lower on my list because I realize that without someone in office that is focused on our national security both terrorism and missile defense that others are going to be trying to “abort” full-grown adults here on the homeland.
People need to prioritize, but I agree about the “teaching the lesson aspect.” Isn’t that what they said happened last year? Worked out real well. Can you imagine a professional sports team thinking “we are mad at them, we are going to teach them a lesson and boycott the game.” It can have only one result, forfeit and the opponent wins. How about the republicans grow a pair stand up for what they want while realizing you need priorities… and in my eyes everything except national security should be able to be negotiated and not rule out a candidate.
Dobson threat is weak at best. I see his point, but a spilt threat is strong in a sense that Dobsons audience do vote and do care about ther leaders.
It maybe more a deal with Dobson looking to engage in the realm!
Mike, I do remember , now that you mention it, the Reagan divorce situation but as you said he is the greatest President in our lifetime and amnng the top five in history. Yet even with that flak in 1980 his conservative credentials were impecable.
As far as , "respect," and Dobson, that has diminished since he has started thuis crusade which has no other ending , regardless of motive, but to put Hillary in the White House.
He has the right to not vote or agree with any candidate but to split the party is beyond problematic.
Marie, OUCH is right.. It even hurt me to write it much less think it! 3rd parties always put the candidate in office that the instigator of the 3rd party is trying to beat.
Jenn, right , no perfect candidate but one has to decide who to vote for based on many issues and not just one. One issue voters vote on emotion and not knowledge of the reality of politicas and the dangers that that type of vote can cause.
MD, you know the irony of it all is that many of the one issue voters will condemn the Dems for a litmus test on that very same issue in a Supreme Court nominee.
My Point, possibly but Dobson does have a great deal of influence with the Evangelical Christians. I respect his Christian stand and his writings in the CHristian realm but his idea of how to translate that into politics leaves much to be desired.
I think this is the biggest danger to our party. There are things that I can point out about each candidate that I wish were different. We likely will never see another Ronald Reagan, but we had never see one before he appeared, either. Each candidate is slightly different. Each has strengths and weaknesses. The only ones that I have entirely eliminated from my selections are Ron Paul and John McCain. I have my favorites, but I am still open to all of the others.
We have to realize that any disertion of the ranks, any waffling because we do not have the perfect candidate and any thoughts of teaching the GOP a lesson by voting Independent or Democrat spells doom for our nation.
I firmly believe that it within the power and the agenda of the Democratic party to destroy certain aspects of American life and move towards a socialist government. This must be prevented at all costs.
CC, there are some in the GOP who have given up on 2008 and think that with Hillary as Presidetn and Dems in the Congress the result will be a landslide for GOP in 2010 and a lame duck Hillary for two years before a GOP in the White House in 2012.
This line of thinking to is dangerous because they can to so much damage in that two years and change the entire course of this country to the point that it may never be able to be repaired regardless who is in charge.
Though we will never have another Reagan, I believe Fred has many of his qualities and alot of his strengths,which is one of the reasons I support him.
"DATELINE November 6, 2008 - Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton has won election as the 44 President of the United States."
Typical. Did you get his from the MSM, I know they've got their newspapers prewritten with this headline on it already. :(
What I don't get is how someone who is clearly as crooked as a hooker, just hired Sandy Burgler as an advisor and who's husband was impeached, can be so popular.
Jenn of Jungle, Burglar is the hit man and servant of the Clinton masters. Sort of the Igor to Frankenstein and the Bride of Frankenstein.
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